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Post by dano on Apr 12, 2019 8:59:51 GMT -5
Oh, and on the controls, you can get a cover plate that has both the small and large openings. So you can still use the toggle switches along with the decor style opening for the fan control. It's strange on the control, so basically it's a remote control that installs in the outlet box instead of handheld? I'm not very up on things, but I didn't know of such a thing. It's kind of a silly design because these days usually there's a switch controlling the fan or light anyway. So wiring would become a pain. And it's not really as useful as a handheld remote, they might as well have kept Intelitouch really. Another idea - is it possible to bypass the remote receiver, and use a standard in-wall fan controller to control it instead? Most wall controls (or remotes) work with the fan pull chain set to high. But since the fan doesn't have a pull chain, it's always on high basically. Yes, it is a remote control in all other senses because it operates with batteries and wireless, except you mount in the wall, the other upside is it doesn't get lost. When I wired it normally before I even knew there was a receiver it would only run on high. I'm guessing I could use an electrical fan control but would lose the ability to reverse the fan because there is no reverse switch. I think the main benefit of the wall control or remote is the ability to control lights where the 4 wire romex is not there to do it electrically. I have 2 rooms where that would be a benefit but the fan doesn't have lights as purchased and is probably too big for those small bedrooms.
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Post by Parkman on Apr 12, 2019 10:20:46 GMT -5
You definitely won't have a reverse function if you don't use the included remote.
You are correct about the wire. Originally the IntelliTouch was a control developed by Casablanca so that it could replace a traditional wall switch and control the fan with 6 speeds, reverse, lighting functions, and a few other goodies. Flash forward to today handheld remotes and wall controls like your fan have replaced that. Besides the convenience features, the big selling point was that you wouldn't have to use the pull chains or have a separate switch for the fan and one for the light.
Then you have the wall control like you would pick up at Home Depot where you could control the fan with two wires + your ground wire or have it where the fan and light so you would have 3 wires + the ground.
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Post by Parkman on Apr 12, 2019 10:27:24 GMT -5
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Post by dano on Apr 12, 2019 13:42:12 GMT -5
Thanks for the link Parkman. That is 189 on AMZN without blades and irons so probably 300. I think if I went the route of returning them, I'd do it for the white refurbs on ebay or another paramount. I'll wait for the paramount and see if it is as nice as it looks. There doesn't seem to be any benefit in buying something direct from Hunter website because the 59125 XLP is still being sold but has not a single available part so I might as well buy refurb or old stock elsewhere. I'd probably stay away from this company if I was starting over but I got lured in with the 35% discount and clearance pricing and then all these great links of old stock nice models from you guys. I have 7 fan locations and already have 4 either replaced or about to be with good ones if I keep the 2 XLP's.
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Post by Jonathan A. on Apr 12, 2019 15:25:46 GMT -5
Here's a couple shots of the space. Forgive the mess and family using it. Regarding heights, I bought a NIB hunter original on ebay. I have it hanging in the back sunroom now but I feel it hangs to low. It's drop to blade is almost 13", but my other 2 are just under 10". The sunroom ceiling are a couple inches lower than the rest of the house (7'9.5") which aggravates the issue but the fan feels really over-bearing there. Forgetting the New/Old hunter thing, it is a beautiful fan but in person I don't like it as much as I thought I would and am going to move it elsewhere and it may end up in the garage because I'm not sure where I can put it. I also don't like how the canopy attaches only to the pole rather than to the brace/bracket. When the fan moves it bumps off the ceiling and there is a gap. They do look nice, but I prefer Casablanca over Hunter Five Minute. Also I guess they are set on reverse for winter.
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Post by Parkman on Apr 12, 2019 15:31:02 GMT -5
Thanks for the link Parkman. That is 189 on AMZN without blades and irons so probably 300. I think if I went the route of returning them, I'd do it for the white refurbs on ebay or another paramount. I'll wait for the paramount and see if it is as nice as it looks. There doesn't seem to be any benefit in buying something direct from Hunter website because the 59125 XLP is still being sold but has not a single available part so I might as well buy refurb or old stock elsewhere. I'd probably stay away from this company if I was starting over but I got lured in with the 35% discount and clearance pricing and then all these great links of old stock nice models from you guys. I have 7 fan locations and already have 4 either replaced or about to be with good ones if I keep the 2 XLP's. Sounds like a good plan In all honesty I'm so discussed with Hunter's quality you're probably in all cases better off buying some old stock like you're talking about or with the Paramount XP you're expecting since its old stock of when there quality was excellent!!
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Post by Noah C on Apr 13, 2019 6:27:09 GMT -5
Thanks for the link Parkman. That is 189 on AMZN without blades and irons so probably 300. I think if I went the route of returning them, I'd do it for the white refurbs on ebay or another paramount. I'll wait for the paramount and see if it is as nice as it looks. There doesn't seem to be any benefit in buying something direct from Hunter website because the 59125 XLP is still being sold but has not a single available part so I might as well buy refurb or old stock elsewhere. I'd probably stay away from this company if I was starting over but I got lured in with the 35% discount and clearance pricing and then all these great links of old stock nice models from you guys. I have 7 fan locations and already have 4 either replaced or about to be with good ones if I keep the 2 XLP's. If I may butt in here, I've got a few things to add to what you all were saying... 1. The "distressed" finish blades Casablanca has intentionally have that pitting to them, so the "BB gun" look was purposeful. I don't like it though. 2. If you don't want to use the included in-wall remote, what I would do is see if Hunter/Casablanca sells replacement switch housings for their pull chain 5xxxx Casablanca fans, and then convert the fan to Casablanca's current 4-speed pull chain system with the manual reverse switch that way, which should work for this fan as long as there is a molex cable/connector coming out of the bottom of the motor of your Panama. 3. Replacement XLP motors can be found at the link provided, but I don't think the wiring is the same for this version of the Panama: www.fanmanlighting.com/shop/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=9654. I was going to send you a link to the Direct Drive Panama on eBay, but yeah, that would come out a good deal pricier than this XLP model. The older stock of XLP Panamas is indeed nice. I don't remember the price of them, but if it's the same price or more expensive than what you spent for this Panama, then I would try to order a replacement Casablanca 5xxxx switch housing. For other refurbished parts, the blade irons used on all the other Panamas are identical to those used on this XLP Panama. I believe Casablanca still sells these blades, and if you ever want to order other blades for this, you can use just about any other Casablanca/Hunter blade, they have the same hole spacing. The wall control system used with this fan is used on other Casablanca models, and that is sold through a good few retailers. There are ways to replace parts for this XLP Panama, but none are listed or linked directly to it because it had a limited production run.
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Post by Noah C on Apr 13, 2019 6:37:38 GMT -5
Yeah, I was thinking that one would do him well when he first started this thread. If only they had more of those for reduced price on eBay and Amazon...the reduced price old stock Panamas are enticing, though. What I need to do is look at the wiring diagram of the newer 5xxxx XLP Panama to see if it could be converted to the 4-speed Pull chain system the current Panama and all other current Casa pull chain fans use.
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Post by Cole D on Apr 13, 2019 7:40:47 GMT -5
If I may butt in here, I've got a few things to add to what you all were saying... 1. The "distressed" finish blades Casablanca has intentionally have that pitting to them, so the "BB gun" look was purposeful. I don't like it though. 2. If you don't want to use the included remote, what I would do is see if Hunter/Casablanca sells replacement switch housings for their pull chain 5xxxx Casablanca fans, and then convert the fan to Casablanca's current 4-speed pull chain system with the manual reverse switch that way, which should work for this fan as long as there is a molex cable/connector coming out of the bottom of the motor of your Panama. 3. Replacement XLP motors can be found at the link provided, but I don't think the wiring is the same for this version of the Panama: www.fanmanlighting.com/shop/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=9654. I was going to send you a link to the Direct Drive Panama on eBay, but yeah, that would come out a good deal pricier than this XLP model. The older stock of XLP Panamas is indeed nice. I don't remember the price of them, but if it's the same price or more expensive than what you spent for this Panama, then I would try to order a replacement Casablanca 5xxxx switch housing. For other refurbished parts, the blade irons used on all the other Panamas are identical to those used on this XLP Panama. I believe Casablanca still sells these blades, and if you ever want to order other blades for this, you can use just about any other Casablanca/Hunter blade, they have the same hole spacing. The control system used with this fan is used on other Casablanca models, and that is sold through a good few retailers. There are ways to replace parts for this XLP Panama, but none are listed or linked directly to it because it had a limited production run. The distressed blades sound like what Hunter includes with the Originals in that cocoa finish. That's a good idea on changing the switch housing. That way he could have a 4 speed/reverse, but keep the (IMO) better motor. And less hassle of removing and returning these for a spinner motor model. It does make sense on the parts, because other than the motor, the same basic fan is still in production. If they're just looking at numbers on a screen, then they're going to say - nope discontinued, but there should be no problem getting any parts to it I would think.
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Post by dano on Apr 13, 2019 8:16:03 GMT -5
The distressed blades sound like what Hunter includes with the Originals in that cocoa finish. That's a good idea on changing the switch housing. That way he could have a 4 speed/reverse, but keep the (IMO) better motor. And less hassle of removing and returning these for a spinner motor model. It does make sense on the parts, because other than the motor, the same basic fan is still in production. If they're just looking at numbers on a screen, then they're going to say - nope discontinued, but there should be no problem getting any parts to it I would think. I knew the distressed thing going in but it wasn't done well and was way overdone, but not a deal breaker. The fake worm holes are fine, but the 3 big holes are what I meant by the BB gun. I was thinking along the same lines about the switch housing, but it might be cost prohibitive and I'd maybe need help. I would need a new housing, a reverse slider and the pull chain mechanism. I can't find all those parts listed, and don't see any wiring diagrams. the people at hunter can't seem to go beyond what's in the model part numbers as far as interchange and to them the xlp is obsolete with no parts. Also, whatever happened with the call centers this week, it has been impossible to get through for 2 days. Just FYI, here are the pictures
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Post by Noah C on Apr 13, 2019 8:27:30 GMT -5
The distressed blades sound like what Hunter includes with the Originals in that cocoa finish. That's a good idea on changing the switch housing. That way he could have a 4 speed/reverse, but keep the (IMO) better motor. And less hassle of removing and returning these for a spinner motor model. It does make sense on the parts, because other than the motor, the same basic fan is still in production. If they're just looking at numbers on a screen, then they're going to say - nope discontinued, but there should be no problem getting any parts to it I would think. I knew the distressed thing going in but it wasn't done well and was way overdone, but not a deal breaker. The fake worm holes are fine, but the 3 big holes are what I meant by the BB gun. I was thinking along the same lines about the switch housing, but it might be cost prohibitive and I'd maybe need help. I would need a new housing, a reverse slider and the pull chain mechanism. I can't find all those parts listed, and don't see any wiring diagrams. the people at hunter can't seem to go beyond what's in the model part numbers as far as interchange and to them the xlp is obsolete with no parts. Also, whatever happened with the call centers this week, it has been impossible to get through for 2 days. Just FYI, here are the pictures Yeah, I see what you mean with the blades. I really don't like the distressed look they do. Even if they are intentional, the blades look damaged. Actually, the switch housing shouldn't be too cost prohibitive; those usually run around $20-30. Ordering a new switch housing for the fan (provided that Hunter/Casablanca sells a replacement switch housing or one can be ordered) will come included with the 4-speed pull chain and reverse switch (with the start and run capacitors), so all that would have to be done is plugging the new switch housing's molex connector into the existing molex cable. And if Casablanca doesn't sell one, then a normal 5xxxx Hunter switch housing with the 3-speed pull chain should work. Wiring diagrams for a lot of fans have become scarcer recently, but I know that the only way the wiring could really be changed in this scenario is a slight reorganization of the wires in the molex connector, which is very unlikely. Update: I'd honestly RECOMMEND seeing if you can find a replacement Hunter/Casa switch housing with the pulled chain and reverse switch, if you decide to keep this up here. I wanted a wiring diagram because I wasn't sure if if Casablanca was still putting control components and capacitors inside of the motor housing on the side of the XLP motor on these; now that I know these use normal molex connectors, there shouldn't be any issue in plugging in a Hunter/Casablanca 5xxxx switch housing with manual controls. Thanks a lot for providing the picture of the switch housing wiring, by the way. The reason why I emphasize my recommendation for trying to find a switch housing with manual controls is because the reverse module used with full-function remote/wall controls is often problematic. I've had so many of those fail on me, and finding replacement ones is hard as hell, believe me. All of the Hampton Bay fans I have but one have had their reverse modules fail on them; the only saving grace was that they are made by King of Fans, who happened to have some in stock at the time.
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Post by dano on Apr 13, 2019 8:53:51 GMT -5
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Post by Noah C on Apr 13, 2019 12:57:40 GMT -5
Well, I was wrong about the wiring being included with the switch housing. At least Casablanca sells both parts; all Hunter and Casablanca fans with the 5xxxx model code and normal switch housings have essentially the same switch housing as one another; the only differences between them are the different switch caps with Hunter or Casablanca logos respectively, and a heavier gauge steel stamping used for the Casablanca switch housing. It is odd there are no differences in PN even between switch housings that have manual control cutouts or those with none, but Casablanca probably saw it unnecessary to separate the PN for essentially the same component The wiring harness is indeed for the switch housing (which is why it's listed as "4-speed"); there is no other place for a wiring harness to be put on these fans. All you'll have to do when you purchase the switch housing and wiring is stick the pull chain and reverse switch through the cutouts and screw the two little screws in on the outside of the hole for the reverse switch, and screw the little removable nut around the pull chain on on the outside of the switch housing. I would try your Paramount in that space to see how it hangs, when it arrives (I'd mount the Paramount with the Panama's 2" rod and measure blade drop with that), but I wouldn't take the Panamas back over the control deal when Hunter and Casablanca have a network of proprietary parts that work with almost all of their fans. And totally; I hate full function control systems myself. I don't mind a remote or wall control as long as the fan has its own reverse switch, however, because I know that if the control goes bad, which is rare, there are no extra parts to fail (like the reverse module, which I guarantee you that will fail within around 10 years, 15 if you're lucky). I gotta rant a little bit here about my experience having done a pull chain conversion on a Hunter once before. I own a Hunter Grand Lodge ceiling fan (2xxxx model scheme, from 2005) that came included with a full function remote control system, with the receiver (which had all necessary components) in the switch housing. I went through 4 receivers for that fan, and they all had issues and lasted less than two years apiece. When the last one caused the fan to stop working, I threw the switch housing away (since it had no cutouts for a pull chain and reverse switch, and was awkwardly long due to the large receiver in there) and bought a switch housing which came with the 3-speed pull chain (Looking at the same website I bought this from [ ereplacementparts.com ], I think Hunter started selling the switch housing and wiring separately after they switched to 5xxxx). The molex connection was the same save for the placement of the light wire connection; I plugged it in and haven't had any issues with the fan since, because it's using tried and true controls. Upon further examination of the last two receivers (before I threw those away), the problem isn't the motherboard components/motherboard itself frying or anything. The problem is that the idiots who manufacture these things don't know how to solder; the first thing they teach you when you solder is keep all individual connections SEPARATE if you want your circuit board/motherboard to function as intended...the whole board was a mess of solder from someone who likely has never even heard the word; so yeah, never taking my chances with those again, or reverse modules which have the same issues. The only curcuit boards for fans that don't seem to have these issues nearly as much are the off-the-shelf canopy receivers, just because they are produced far more than those other, more case-specific parts, which means more soldering is being done by machines and less by idiots. Pull chain conversion on this Panama will be just as easy as described earlier.
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Post by dano on Apr 13, 2019 14:14:16 GMT -5
"The wiring harness is indeed for the switch housing (which is why it's listed as "4-speed); there is no other place for a wiring harness to be put on these fans. All you'll have to do when you purchase the switch housing and wiring is stick the pull chain and reverse switch through the cutouts and screw the two little screws in on the outside of the hole for the reverse switch, and screw the little removable nut around the pull chain on on the outside of the switch housing. I would try your Paramount in that space to see how it hangs, when it arrives, but I wouldn't take the Panamas back over the control deal when Hunter and Casablanca have a network of proprietary parts that work with almost all of their fans. And totally; I hate full function control systems myself. I don't mind a remote or wall control as long as the fan has its own reverse switch, however, because I know that if the control goes bad, there are no extra parts to fail (like the reverse module, which I guarantee you that will fail within around 10 years, 15 if you're lucky)." I feel exactly the same, I'll mount and use the wall control but really prefer to have that backup for when it fails. I'll try to get them to ship them to me for free but I'll bet they'll insist on return which will cost them a bunch more so I may have to eat $90 for the two fans to do it, but it comes to $66 with my coupon. My switch housing has no signs of places to knock out the cutouts so I'll have to buy both parts.
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Post by Noah C on Apr 13, 2019 14:28:12 GMT -5
"The wiring harness is indeed for the switch housing (which is why it's listed as "4-speed); there is no other place for a wiring harness to be put on these fans. All you'll have to do when you purchase the switch housing and wiring is stick the pull chain and reverse switch through the cutouts and screw the two little screws in on the outside of the hole for the reverse switch, and screw the little removable nut around the pull chain on on the outside of the switch housing. I would try your Paramount in that space to see how it hangs, when it arrives, but I wouldn't take the Panamas back over the control deal when Hunter and Casablanca have a network of proprietary parts that work with almost all of their fans. And totally; I hate full function control systems myself. I don't mind a remote or wall control as long as the fan has its own reverse switch, however, because I know that if the control goes bad, there are no extra parts to fail (like the reverse module, which I guarantee you that will fail within around 10 years, 15 if you're lucky)." I feel exactly the same, I'll mount and use the wall control but really prefer to have that backup for when it fails. I'll try to get them to ship them to me for free but I'll bet they'll insist on return which will cost them a bunch more so I may have to eat $90 for the two fans to do it, but it comes to $66 with my coupon. My switch housing has no signs of places to knock out the cutouts so I'll have to buy both parts. That will work. Only thing that worries me is whether or not you have two separate wall switches to control the two fans in both areas; you probably do, but if you don't, then one wall control isn't going to work, and you'll have to eat around $65 on two switch housings and two wiring harnesses, and that's with the discount as you said. There are no cutouts on your Panama's current switch housing. You could modify the switch housings themselves and drill pull chain and reverse switch holes in each, but if you don't have tools to do that with, then it's less of a hassle to just buy the replacement switch housings. What will they insist on return on?
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