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Post by dano on Apr 13, 2019 21:49:22 GMT -5
That will work. Only thing that worries me is whether or not you have two separate wall switches to control the two fans in both areas; you probably do, but if you don't, then one wall control isn't going to work, and you'll have to eat around $65 on two switch housings and two wiring harnesses, and that's with the discount as you said. There are no cutouts on your Panama's current switch housing. You could modify the switch housings themselves and drill pull chain and reverse switch holes in each, but if you don't have tools to do that with, then it's less of a hassle to just buy the replacement switch housings. What will they insist on return on? I'm saying they will insist on returning because when I called initially and said I didn't like the distressed blades, and that I couldn't flip them because one of the chestnut sides was scratched, they said there are no parts available (including blades) for that fan and that they would take them back and pay the postage. They said there was nothing else they could help with, so I doubt they'll be looking to swap parts to make this a pull chain model even though it is possible I assume they just look in a database and say can't help, send it back. I have a separate switch for each fan. I could use one control to operate them both but don't think I'd always want them both doing the same thing. I still like the wall switches to turn them on and off. I have no shortage of tools and machines at home but the reverse slider might be a little tricky because it's finished and exposed. I returned the builder's elite with no issues today. Stupid question, but is it ok to reverse the direction while running? I had always stopped the fans before I flipped the direction but with the wall control it won't reverse unless it is moving, in which case it speeds up then slows, stops, and reverses.
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Post by Parkman on Apr 13, 2019 21:55:15 GMT -5
That will work. Only thing that worries me is whether or not you have two separate wall switches to control the two fans in both areas; you probably do, but if you don't, then one wall control isn't going to work, and you'll have to eat around $65 on two switch housings and two wiring harnesses, and that's with the discount as you said. There are no cutouts on your Panama's current switch housing. You could modify the switch housings themselves and drill pull chain and reverse switch holes in each, but if you don't have tools to do that with, then it's less of a hassle to just buy the replacement switch housings. What will they insist on return on? I'm saying they will insist on returning because when I called initially and said I didn't like the distressed blades, and that I couldn't flip them because one of the chestnut sides was scratched, they said there are no parts available (including blades) for that fan and that they would take them back and pay the postage. They said there was nothing else they could help with, so I doubt they'll be looking to swap parts to make this a pull chain model even though it is possible I assume they just look in a database and say can't help, send it back. I have a separate switch for each fan. I could use one control to operate them both but don't think I'd always want them both doing the same thing. I still like the wall switches to turn them on and off. I have no shortage of tools and machines at home but the reverse slider might be a little tricky because it's finished and exposed. I returned the builder's elite with no issues today. Stupid question, but is it ok to reverse the direction while running? I had always stopped the fans before I flipped the direction but with the wall control it won't reverse unless it is moving, in which case it speeds up then slows, stops, and reverses. I've heard a lot about Hunter not having parts and then they offer you the discount like you got there seems to be no stability anymore. My concern would be if the electronics go are they gonna support it. Between the blades not being to your liking and only putting one I. If you can get them to ship it back for free I personally would with the other options out there and piece of mind but then again I'm very ocd with my fans.
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Post by Cole D on Apr 13, 2019 22:25:45 GMT -5
That will work. Only thing that worries me is whether or not you have two separate wall switches to control the two fans in both areas; you probably do, but if you don't, then one wall control isn't going to work, and you'll have to eat around $65 on two switch housings and two wiring harnesses, and that's with the discount as you said. There are no cutouts on your Panama's current switch housing. You could modify the switch housings themselves and drill pull chain and reverse switch holes in each, but if you don't have tools to do that with, then it's less of a hassle to just buy the replacement switch housings. What will they insist on return on? I'm saying they will insist on returning because when I called initially and said I didn't like the distressed blades, and that I couldn't flip them because one of the chestnut sides was scratched, they said there are no parts available (including blades) for that fan and that they would take them back and pay the postage. They said there was nothing else they could help with, so I doubt they'll be looking to swap parts to make this a pull chain model even though it is possible I assume they just look in a database and say can't help, send it back. I have a separate switch for each fan. I could use one control to operate them both but don't think I'd always want them both doing the same thing. I still like the wall switches to turn them on and off. I have no shortage of tools and machines at home but the reverse slider might be a little tricky because it's finished and exposed. I returned the builder's elite with no issues today. Stupid question, but is it ok to reverse the direction while running? I had always stopped the fans before I flipped the direction but with the wall control it won't reverse unless it is moving, in which case it speeds up then slows, stops, and reverses. This may sound dumb, but how often do you reverse the fans and is it difficult to remove the switch cap? If no to either I'd just drill a hole for the pull chain in the existing switch housing, and place the reverse switch inside. Then you can change speeds and when you do reverse it just pop off the cap to do it. Sounds silly, but to me $40 for two switch housings in addition to $40 for two wiring harnesses is a lot. The remote itself wouldn't bother me, but I'd probably want the pull chain harness part too, because if the module fails, say 5 years from now, who knows if you'll be able to get parts.
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Post by Cole D on Apr 13, 2019 22:27:55 GMT -5
I'm saying they will insist on returning because when I called initially and said I didn't like the distressed blades, and that I couldn't flip them because one of the chestnut sides was scratched, they said there are no parts available (including blades) for that fan and that they would take them back and pay the postage. They said there was nothing else they could help with, so I doubt they'll be looking to swap parts to make this a pull chain model even though it is possible I assume they just look in a database and say can't help, send it back. I have a separate switch for each fan. I could use one control to operate them both but don't think I'd always want them both doing the same thing. I still like the wall switches to turn them on and off. I have no shortage of tools and machines at home but the reverse slider might be a little tricky because it's finished and exposed. I returned the builder's elite with no issues today. Stupid question, but is it ok to reverse the direction while running? I had always stopped the fans before I flipped the direction but with the wall control it won't reverse unless it is moving, in which case it speeds up then slows, stops, and reverses. I've heard a lot about Hunter not having parts and then they offer you the discount like you got there seems to be no stability anymore. My concern would be if the electronics go are they gonna support it. Between the blades not being to your liking and only putting one I. If you can get them to ship it back for free I personally would with the other options out there and piece of mind but then again I'm very ocd with my fans. It sounds to me there is no support, since it's discontinued, Hunter is just looking to unload them. And there's no cross referencing of parts. If they were knowledgeable, they'd know the blades, brackets, module, anything should fit it, it's just got an XLP motor instead of a spinner or DC. But they're just looking at a screen that says - no parts available.
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Post by Noah C on Apr 13, 2019 23:57:40 GMT -5
That will work. Only thing that worries me is whether or not you have two separate wall switches to control the two fans in both areas; you probably do, but if you don't, then one wall control isn't going to work, and you'll have to eat around $65 on two switch housings and two wiring harnesses, and that's with the discount as you said. There are no cutouts on your Panama's current switch housing. You could modify the switch housings themselves and drill pull chain and reverse switch holes in each, but if you don't have tools to do that with, then it's less of a hassle to just buy the replacement switch housings. What will they insist on return on? I'm saying they will insist on returning because when I called initially and said I didn't like the distressed blades, and that I couldn't flip them because one of the chestnut sides was scratched, they said there are no parts available (including blades) for that fan and that they would take them back and pay the postage. They said there was nothing else they could help with, so I doubt they'll be looking to swap parts to make this a pull chain model even though it is possible I assume they just look in a database and say can't help, send it back. I have a separate switch for each fan. I could use one control to operate them both but don't think I'd always want them both doing the same thing. I still like the wall switches to turn them on and off. I have no shortage of tools and machines at home but the reverse slider might be a little tricky because it's finished and exposed. I returned the builder's elite with no issues today. Stupid question, but is it ok to reverse the direction while running? I had always stopped the fans before I flipped the direction but with the wall control it won't reverse unless it is moving, in which case it speeds up then slows, stops, and reverses. Hm. I didn't know the other side was scratched on one of the blades; replacement blades can run you anywhere between $20 and over $100 IF you decide to replace the blades, which look damaged to be honest. You could buy replacement Hunter fan blades for $20 by looking up the parts manuals of any budget Hunter model with normal blades and buying replacement blades (all normal blades and some special/model specific blades have the same hole spacing across both Hunter and Casablanca fan lineups), or by spending closer to $100 for Custom Casablanca blades (which puts this project at a higher cost than what I'd imagine you would want to spend). They definitely will not swap parts between fans in this manner even if the parts will technically work together, but most manufacturers will not do this. In this scenario, Hunter and Casablanca fans have parts that can work with one another; so many of Hunter and Casablanca's current parts could literally be used to compile entire fans; it's left up to the consumer of their products to know this and buy parts for their fans as needed based on this concept. How much is their postage payment worth? Yeah, then if I were you, I'd buy the replacement switch housings (with the manual control cutouts for pull chain fans off the parts listing for the pull chain Panama) and wiring harnesses for both fans, and convert them both to pull chain that way; the only thing you would have to do is screw the pull chain and reverse switch on the wiring harness into the switch housing that you would receive, and plug the molex connector into the molex cable from the fan. I mentioned this in the latest post on this thread in detail, but making a reverse switch cutout would not bode over well here. So it's easier to spend the $65 or so for the wiring harnesses and switch housings through the replacement parts link you posted. Now that I think of it, you can still convert the fans even if you continue to use the wall controls that came with the fans, because the only difference between converting them and leaving the fans as-is, with the wall controls still in use, is that the wall control no longer can reverse the fan remotely if there is no computerized reverse module. So if you converted both fans to the manual pull chain/reverse switch deal I've been rambling about, you can still use the wall control to change the speeds (leaving the pull chain on the fan set to high speed) but you would use the manual reverse switch on the fan to reverse it. Casablanca does not sell a wiring harness with just a reverse switch and no pull chain like some companies do; it's either full function remote/wall control or pull chain for them. On that topic, you can reverse a fan while it is running. With full-function remote/wall control fans, you have to reverse the fan while it is running, but on remote/wall control fans with manual reverse switches or fully manual/pull chain fans, you want to reverse them while off. You could reverse those while the fan is running, but a lot of these contemporary and transitional designs of fans tend to not have switch housings like more traditional offerings (they usually have reverse switches on top of the fan), so you'd have to turn off the fan to access the reverse switch. Plus, there is no computerized curcuit board to slow the fan down (which eliminates sudden polarity and torque changes on the motor from changing direction, hence the slowing down before changing direction), so reversing a manually reversed fan when it's running is kind of like brake-torquing a car.
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Post by Noah C on Apr 14, 2019 0:03:47 GMT -5
I'm saying they will insist on returning because when I called initially and said I didn't like the distressed blades, and that I couldn't flip them because one of the chestnut sides was scratched, they said there are no parts available (including blades) for that fan and that they would take them back and pay the postage. They said there was nothing else they could help with, so I doubt they'll be looking to swap parts to make this a pull chain model even though it is possible I assume they just look in a database and say can't help, send it back. I have a separate switch for each fan. I could use one control to operate them both but don't think I'd always want them both doing the same thing. I still like the wall switches to turn them on and off. I have no shortage of tools and machines at home but the reverse slider might be a little tricky because it's finished and exposed. I returned the builder's elite with no issues today. Stupid question, but is it ok to reverse the direction while running? I had always stopped the fans before I flipped the direction but with the wall control it won't reverse unless it is moving, in which case it speeds up then slows, stops, and reverses. This may sound dumb, but how often do you reverse the fans and is it difficult to remove the switch cap? If no to either I'd just drill a hole for the pull chain in the existing switch housing, and place the reverse switch inside. Then you can change speeds and when you do reverse it just pop off the cap to do it. Sounds silly, but to me $40 for two switch housings in addition to $40 for two wiring harnesses is a lot. The remote itself wouldn't bother me, but I'd probably want the pull chain harness part too, because if the module fails, say 5 years from now, who knows if you'll be able to get parts. You know what, it's just plain easier to just buy the replacement switch housings and wiring harnesses through the Pull Chain Panama replacement parts link dano provided; were he to use his own switch housings, he'd most likely have to go through the full on Casablanca pull-chain conversion process, which involves modifications that don't have to happen with Casablanca's network of available parts. I don't know why I didn't think of this sooner. Short of drilling the pull chain hole, dano would have to either find a tool to make a square cutout for the fan's reverse switch, or he'd have to source a wiring harness with just a pull chain. If he were to go the latter route, he'd have to hardwire the pull chain to the fan by eliminating the molex cable, then he'd have to run wire through the fan's motor and wire the reverse switch to the fan that way; he'd also have to mount it to the top of the fan. The control that came with these is Casablanca's in-wall remote, which he could still use even with his fan being converted to pull-chain/manual reverse; the in-wall remote would still change the speeds but it wouldn't reverse the fan, since the wiring harness he'd be using is for manual controls. Really, what came included with his fan is a wiring harness with a reverse module, just to eliminate any potential confusion. Reverse modules not only fail often but are hard to come by, so he'll be in better condition having the pull-chain conversion parts/kits for his fans when the reverse module fails.
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Post by dano on Apr 14, 2019 8:10:05 GMT -5
Thanks, you are saying don't mess with modifying switch housing mod and just buy the 2 parts listed. If they (CS) won't help me with that - I'll buy them. If it all works I could sell the receiver and wall controls on ebay if I want the money back.
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Post by Noah C on Apr 14, 2019 13:27:15 GMT -5
Thanks, you are saying don't mess with modifying switch housing mod and just buy the 2 parts listed. If they (CS) won't help me with that - I'll buy them. If it all works I could sell the receiver and wall controls on ebay if I want the money back. Yup, because I thought about it and there would be no easy way to get that rectangular reverse switch cutout into the existing switch housing, meaning the conversion would be way trickier, as explained earlier. CS won't help you with that, but we all know it'll work since all you're doing is plugging in a different wiring harness. Each of the controls with their receivers should sell for at least $30-35 a piece. With two pull-chain Panamas there (after pull-chain conversion), you'll be alright using on/off switches, like I'm guessing you were doing before you bought them. You could also still use the wall controls to do everything but reverse the fans, which would now be done manually, but I think we both can agree that it's smarter to just get the money back for the controls/receivers. Just so you don't have to find the message you posted this at, I'll link the page you can buy the wiring/switch housings on: www.hunterfan.com/parts-manualsLook up the model number 55022 on that page; this is for the pull chain Panama they still sell; you'll see the switch housing (empty) and the 4-speed wire harness. Note: the switch housing is just the switch housing. Use the switch housing caps with the Casablanca logos from your existing switch housings.
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Post by Noah C on Apr 14, 2019 13:41:55 GMT -5
Update: I found out that the model number 59125 for your Panama XLP is only for the unipacked clearance version with your specific blades. Casablanca does sell parts for that version XLP Panama, but under a different model number, model no. 59098. That is the real number for the XLP Panama. Not that it matters anyway since they only sell the pull chain parts for the pull chain fan, which again is no. 55022. But this just shows that Hunter CS is useless. I wouldn't recommend calling them unless it's absolute necessity; they waste your time and if you have a question about something, you'll be on the line with 'em all day and still not get an answer. I've dealt with them before, after the second receiver quit on my Hunter Grand Lodge. They're useless.
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Post by dano on Apr 14, 2019 15:07:55 GMT -5
I don't get any hits on their parts site with 59098, although I see you are correct that it is an xlp brushed nickel 58" fan on numerous outside sites. The only reason to call is to try to get them to send the 2 conversion parts for free by telling them the lack of manual controls is enough of a bad design for me that I would return the two units. The first scenario would be much better for them, but they probably don't care depending on who it is. The other rep was responsive and would call me right back if he was OTP, and he gave me another name he recommended I request now that he moved to a different capacity. He said to bypass the "existing fan" menu and go right to the "buy a new fan" and request them by name. He said this routed you to a different center where the people were long-time knowledgeable employees, and the other call center was a bunch of people who knew nothing and didn't care. I think they are consolidated now though as of last week but hopefully his reference will help.
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Post by Noah C on Apr 14, 2019 16:33:08 GMT -5
I don't get any hits on their parts site with 59098, although I see you are correct that it is an xlp brushed nickel 58" fan on numerous outside sites. The only reason to call is to try to get them to send the 2 conversion parts for free by telling them the lack of manual controls is enough of a bad design for me that I would return the two units. The first scenario would be much better for them, but they probably don't care depending on who it is. The other rep was responsive and would call me right back if he was OTP, and he gave me another name he recommended I request now that he moved to a different capacity. He said to bypass the "existing fan" menu and go right to the "buy a new fan" and request them by name. He said this routed you to a different center where the people were long-time knowledgeable employees, and the other call center was a bunch of people who knew nothing and didn't care. I think they are consolidated now though as of last week but hopefully his reference will help. OK, then. I'd try to reach the "knowledgeable" call center if possible, though they may be unlikely to give you the switch housings and wiring for free (two conversion parts, ×2 for the two fans) because that version of the Panama XLP was designed to have a full function control, full function meaning that there are no manual controls or switches on the fan itself. I'd agree that it, like any proprietary fan control system (including Intellitouch and its variants among others) is a poor design in terms of component reliability, but the fan was designed that way for the convenience factor that most customers, who don't have a knowledge base on said components, would prefer. I would still try, though. The benefit is even if you aren't able to get the conversion parts for free, selling the wall controls should cancel out the costs. The only thing I'm concerned about is CS trying to tell you that the conversion won't work for some reason they devise; if they go there, ignore them. It's the same molex wiring arrangement for both the wiring harness your fan came with (w/reverse module) and the one you're buying (w/reverse switch and pull chain).
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Post by dano on Apr 15, 2019 18:46:47 GMT -5
There was no knowledgeable call center today, and you were certainly correct that they got very upset by the idea of converting for manual operation, and guaranteed it wouldn't work etc. Meanwhile, I dropped my 5 minute fan housing on the panama, bypassed the receiver, and it worked just fine, just to double check. I gave up on that rep, and just called back and said I wanted to see if they had the entire housing and harness assembly available, and while the system went down on the phone they offered to send me both parts for one fan free of charge. I didn't bring up the 2nd fan. I called it a day with that and I'll see if it ever shows up but I'll order another set and keep both fans, I assume. The paramount is arriving tomorrow so I'll look to put that upstairs.
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Post by Noah C on Apr 15, 2019 18:55:25 GMT -5
There was no knowledgeable call center today, and you were certainly correct that they got very upset by the idea of converting for manual operation, and guaranteed it wouldn't work etc. Meanwhile, I dropped my 5 minute fan housing on the panama, bypassed the receiver, and it worked just fine, just to double check. I gave up on that rep, and just called back and said I wanted to see if they had the entire housing and harness assembly available, and while the system went down on the phone they offered to send me both parts for one fan free of charge. I didn't bring up the 2nd fan. I called it a day with that and I'll see if it ever shows up but I'll order another set and keep both fans, I assume. The paramount is arriving tomorrow so I'll look to put that upstairs. Told you; the wiring is the same, but it should be. They're not going to change wiring across fans when it's cheaper and less time consuming to use the same wiring and switch housing components across their fans. I would see if they send you the components for conversion for the first fan for free, and if not, I'd buy the components for both fans and sell the fans' wall controls. If the Paramount XP has a minimal enough drop to fit properly in your space (I doubt it), I'd return one of your Panamas, buy another Paramount, then use a Panama in your master bedroom just for the extra ~$100 saved. But at this point, it's up to you; it'll turn out beautifully any way you cut it.
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Post by dano on Apr 16, 2019 21:11:48 GMT -5
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Post by Parkman on Apr 16, 2019 21:40:34 GMT -5
On the record I love picture so!!
Personally I think the Paramount looks better. It's cleaner and fits the style better overall in your house. Also the panama looks sloppy with the blade irons making it droopy.
If it were my house if do Paramounts downstairs and put the Panama upstairs and return the other since the blades were messed up.
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