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Post by dano on Apr 6, 2019 8:43:15 GMT -5
I don't have to have all 3 match, probably in the family room and kitchen I should but the sunroom is already a very different space with a different floor so I could do something else there like white vs. nickel in the rest. I wish I could have hung a 4th over the kitchen island but my wife was hung up on getting those cage lights. I'll check out the minka. thanks for the great tips on this.
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Post by Noah C on Apr 6, 2019 8:51:42 GMT -5
I don't have to have all 3 match, probably in the family room and kitchen I should but the sunroom is already a very different space with a different floor so I could do something else there like white vs. nickel in the rest. I wish I could have hung a 4th over the kitchen island but my wife was hung up on getting those cage lights. I'll check out the minka. thanks for the great tips on this. No problem; glad to help if anything else arises. If that is the case with the sunroom, I'd just choose from any of the three fans we've been talking about for the family room/kitchen space (btw the renovation project is definitely looking on point ) and I'd maybe move your Five Minute outdoor fan to your sunroom, for that white/ nickel or steel contrast. If you can find a home for that Original, then that would be one sick install; originals look cool everywhere.
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Post by Cole D on Apr 6, 2019 9:47:24 GMT -5
Your house looks nice, and I like the Original a lot! I think either the Paramount XP, Supra or Panamas would look good.
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Post by Parkman on Apr 6, 2019 9:51:44 GMT -5
Thanks Noah, a lot of great info on both fans. I like the paramount looks and the savings but one thing that pushes me towards the panama, is that the specs I see show the bottom of the blades sitting almost 2 inches closer to the ceiling than the paramount (which has a 3" downrod only), but the panama also includes of a 2" downrod which would make it almost 3 inches higher installed. I mentioned 8 foot ceilings, and the paramount blades are lower than 7 feet and that gets feeling kind of close. The rep said they still have a couple hundred XLP's, so I might get one before committing to 3. I'll assume I can get another code because they offer it out readily. Did you happen to get the reps name? It would be nice to talk to someone there who actually knows what they're talking about.
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Post by Parkman on Apr 6, 2019 10:01:01 GMT -5
That's a lovely house. My wife would love to have your white kitchen. Also I think that backsplash behind the stove is awesome! You should post pictures of all of the fans of your house!
Not sure if Noah mentioned it the Supra can be flushmounted however you'd have to buy a separate kit for that. The Supra's are awesome fans. I used to have one and he has one VERY highly recommended.
If you can find a Paramount XP you could always flushmount it however I believe they have the AVT mounting system or a modified version of that. Which doesn't give you the lowest height for a flushmounted fan and then the newer Casablanca/Hunter's you can only put the 2" "flushmount" downrod on rather that the traditional 3" one.
Ultimately I'd say you're best bet if you're concerned about height is the Supra or finding an older stock Hunter when they had the Hands Free I or II mounting system that could truly be flushmounted.
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Post by dano on Apr 6, 2019 15:02:42 GMT -5
"That's a lovely house. My wife would love to have your white kitchen. Also I think that backsplash behind the stove is awesome! You should post pictures of all of the fans of your house!" Thanks! That is my wife's dream kitchen and she waited 10 years in the house to get it. We removed a bathroom and laundry, that separated the family room and kitchen, and moved them to the sunroom, which was previously a 3 season outdoor non-conditioned space, which was completely gutted to the studs. The dark brown kitchen was also taken down to the studs. I don't love the island lights or the backsplash behind the stove but she picked both so I don't mention it. I think both that style tile and the cage lights are popular now. We added both sliding doors, including an 8 footer. We love our lot and now really have the backyard connected to the house which is a flat open 1.4 acre lot. It took 15 months with one main contractor. For some reason I don't like the look of flush mounted fans. Although I need to keep the downrod to a minimum, I think even a 2 inch downroad makes the fan look better. The 4 other fans in the house are in each of the bedrooms and all have light kits. I need to consider that when I swap upstairs. The brookhurst in the sunroom had a light kit, but we decided we didn't need the kit in that room because of the recessed lights. The paramount in this video sure looks nice! www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ8OzdOelSI
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Post by dano on Apr 6, 2019 16:13:05 GMT -5
Did you happen to get the reps name? It would be nice to talk to someone there who actually knows what they're talking about. His name was Danel (not Daniel). I guess Noah pointed out that he didn't know about the xlp motor. He did say they had made it for 20 years, but he missed the flywheel and dimensions. I also read those 172X12 motor specs on another vendor's site so it must be out there somewhere saying that. Danel did seem to like to talk about fans and he stayed on with me for a long time and even looked up the paramount listings on amazon out of curiosity and filled me in on their latin history. As I mentioned, he did try to steer me away from the paramount (because he sells fans) citing the warranty, longevity, and build quality of the panama, and seemed to imply that the paramount designed and mkt'ed towards latin countries may have suggested a lower build quality. Maybe BS, but he was surprised to see it on amazon, and said he'd been there plus 20 years. I'll also add there was a drama with the Open box original on Ebay and Danel helped me there as well. I received the box missing 2 blades and irons. the seller ultimately sent me a new set of sealed blades but the 2 irons he produced were very much heavier, although they had the same stamped PN. I called hunter about finding a matched set. this fan is a 23856 and they said I was SOL and it was obsolete. Later when I brought it up to Danel he said the new ones would exchange just fine. I installed the heavier irons opposing each other in a 4 blade setup and it runs just fine though.
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Post by Parkman on Apr 6, 2019 23:43:40 GMT -5
"That's a lovely house. My wife would love to have your white kitchen. Also I think that backsplash behind the stove is awesome! You should post pictures of all of the fans of your house!" Thanks! That is my wife's dream kitchen and she waited 10 years in the house to get it. We removed a bathroom and laundry, that separated the family room and kitchen, and moved them to the sunroom, which was previously a 3 season outdoor non-conditioned space, which was completely gutted to the studs. The dark brown kitchen was also taken down to the studs. I don't love the island lights or the backsplash behind the stove but she picked both so I don't mention it. I think both that style tile and the cage lights are popular now. We added both sliding doors, including an 8 footer. We love our lot and now really have the backyard connected to the house which is a flat open 1.4 acre lot. It took 15 months with one main contractor. For some reason I don't like the look of flush mounted fans. Although I need to keep the downrod to a minimum, I think even a 2 inch downroad makes the fan look better. The 4 other fans in the house are in each of the bedrooms and all have light kits. I need to consider that when I swap upstairs. The brookhurst in the sunroom had a light kit, but we decided we didn't need the kit in that room because of the recessed lights. The paramount in this video sure looks nice! www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ8OzdOelSI[ My wife's tastes I can normally agree with but once in a while she definitely throws me a curve ball!! We're in the stage of looking online at houses to see if anything strikes us to wanna actually go look.. The one thing I find extremely strange is some houses with additions or large renovations is the laundry room placement. In the last month I've seen two houses with it places in the foyer of the front door. Like the mud room enters cd I get but literally the one house was like open the front door and there is the washer and dryer staring you right back in the face. I'm hit or miss with flush mounted fans if it's necessary then do what you have to do otherwise it looks silly half the time. I've never gotten the opportunity to experience a paramount XP since they've come out I've always wanted one. Back in 2008 I bidded on one on eBay for $30 last five minutes of the auction someone got it for $31. I've heard nothing but good things about them. Another fan I thought you might be interested in would be the Casablanca Ainsworth 54". It's essentially the "next generation" of the Paramount XP just given a more upscale look than the traditional look of the paramount. The motor is smaller however. I bought two for when I buy a house. they match my living room decor perfectly. our apartment ceiling is too low for a non flush mounted fan and j can't fit a large fan in this room but when I inspected them when j got th the build quality appeared perfect.
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Post by dano on Apr 7, 2019 9:44:34 GMT -5
We went through a couple of years of buy vs. renovate. Probably we should have bought a finished house with the upgrades rather than doing it here. Not all neighborhoods will support the investment because the house would be priced far above what any have ever sold for.
Our house was built in the mid-sixties. The laundry and bathroom were right in the middle of the house. Every ground floor room had doors shutting it off from the rest of the house, family room, dining room, kitchen. All were ugly brown hollow core doors. I've removed them all and replaced every remaining door in the house with solid core paneled white doors, I think 12. That is a very nice upgrade I'm glad I did.
We hired an architect to plan out the ground floor renovation. He came at us with several plans including one to move the bathroom and laundry to our dining room, give up the dining room completely converting it to a mudroom. His other plan was to cantilever out the kitchen. We decided instead to move it all out the space that was an outdated 3 season room, which we'd have to update anyway. He drew the plans for the town based on our idea and I was pretty disappointed we had to provide the actual idea. In the space vacated by the laundry and powder room we now have an eat in kitchen and kept the dining room, plus we still have a 9X15 converted "sunroom" with a full bath and built in laundry.
I appreciate all the advice I got here. Can't imagine where else I could have found this. I think I'll order a panama today or tomorrow and take advantage of them still being around in this configuration. I am also really intrigued by the paramount for the same reason. If I could get a nice light kit I'd like to put the paramount in my master bedroom. Because that hangs over the foot of the bed and a chest, the height isn't a problem at all. In fact the current one with sagging is now 14 inches below the ceiling. I'll snap a picture of that no-name dog.
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Post by Noah C on Apr 7, 2019 14:31:21 GMT -5
We went through a couple of years of buy vs. renovate. Probably we should have bought a finished house with the upgrades rather than doing it here. Not all neighborhoods will support the investment because the house would be priced far above what any have ever sold for. Our house was built in the mid-sixties. The laundry and bathroom were right in the middle of the house. Every ground floor room had doors shutting it off from the rest of the house, family room, dining room, kitchen. All were ugly brown hollow core doors. I've removed them all and replaced every remaining door in the house with solid core paneled white doors, I think 12. That is a very nice upgrade I'm glad I did. We hired an architect to plan out the ground floor renovation. He came at us with several plans including one to move the bathroom and laundry to our dining room, give up the dining room completely converting it to a mudroom. His other plan was to cantilever out the kitchen. We decided instead to move it all out the space that was an outdated 3 season room, which we'd have to update anyway. He drew the plans for the town based on our idea and I was pretty disappointed we had to provide the actual idea. In the space vacated by the laundry and powder room we now have an eat in kitchen and kept the dining room, plus we still have a 9X15 converted "sunroom" with a full bath and built in laundry. I appreciate all the advice I got here. Can't imagine where else I could have found this. I think I'll order a panama today or tomorrow and take advantage of them still being around in this configuration. I am also really intrigued by the paramount for the same reason. If I could get a nice light kit I'd like to put the paramount in my master bedroom. Because that hangs over the foot of the bed and a chest, the height isn't a problem at all. In fact the current one with sagging is now 14 inches below the ceiling. I'll snap a picture of that no-name dog. It largely depends on the area, too. In areas back east, or simply areas where space is a premium cost, it is often a smarter decision to renovate the space due to an exponentially higher cost to buy in somewhere else. In a place like Texas or Oklahoma, among other states, buy-in to homes is cheap for the amount of space received but housing in those communities rarely appreciates as property values level off. In those areas, it is often a better decision to move when you have situations where renovation includes major reorganization of space on a structural level, plus the added furnishings and amenities as the project nears completion. Then there's places like SoCal, where land is not only expensive but can experience major appreciation/depreciation; in that case, it's definitely smarter to renovate your current home since buy-in can be much more expensive than it was beforehand. I think that from what we've seen on here, your finished commons area (family room/eat in kitchen) looks bright and open. I, too, love the backsplash and cabinets you guys chose, and even think the pendant lighting in your kitchen is a nice touch (your wife was on the right track with that idea). That aside, I too would be disappointed at having to provide the plan for space arrangement of your downstairs because half the time, those don't bode over too well. Potential reasons could include lack of budgeting (when plumbing issues, mold and asbestos removal, or structural walls/pillars that can't be removed without major reinforcements to the structure costing tend of thousands come up), among various others. Back on topic of fans, the dual Panama install would provide a nice contrast to the bright theme of your space. A Paramount in your master bedroom would be cool too, since those fit in almost in any style space. You'll have to find Brushed Nickel light kits from other manufacturers, since the Paramount XP is from the 2xxxx generation of Hunters. The 5xxxx/current generation of Hunters (and Casablancas) have switch housings that are only compatible with Hunter/Casablanca's proprietary light kits. I don't own either the Panama or the Paramount (I own a Supra though), but I have experience with both. I have hands on experience with the Panama XLP you're about to buy; a guy I know at a local showroom let me open a box of one. Build quality is top-notch. Nice XLP motor in there, but unlike current-day K55XL Emersons/Past XLP Casablancas/your Hunter Original, this Panama no longer is 4/5 blade compatible, it's 5 blade only. It comes with a 4 speed full function remote control with a speed range to die for (you'll love the slow low you'll get, no kidding). Yours will be a little slower than the one installed at said showroom (which had normal blades) since the clearance model has these wide blades, but you should still get a ton of air from it. The Paramount XP is a childhood fan for me; there was this small barbeque restaurant I'd go to that had two of these in Antique Pewter that I'd always play with the wall switch for. They move a ton of air as well, and I always liked the design of them; they're simple but they look bold in that "quality/heavy duty" way, if you know what I mean. Speed range on these is one of the best I have seen on a three speed pull-chain fan (other than maybe a K55 Emerson).
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Post by Parkman on Apr 7, 2019 15:21:20 GMT -5
I live in NJ and its just outright insane the price of some houses when you look at what you can get elsewhere in the country for the same price. Not to mention the property taxes are insane. I'm tempted to move some days out of state but my entire family is here as well as my wifes so were here probably indefinitely. What gets me is I live in the southern part of the state and we have a gigantic foreclosure rate yet the prices are still going up. We have the highest rate of people leaving in all 50 states and values are still rising. Its insane. If you can get something decent and cheap and add on/renovate you're in a much better position then building here. You're gonna spend probably close to $70k in permits and getting your well before you even start to clear your lot and get preparation done.
Ebay would probably be your best bet if you ever did get a Paramount XP to find a matching light kit to add what Noah said. Sometimes you can find one really cheap if someone doesn't install it otherwise they're usually traditional retail prices.
I have several Panama (II) XLP fans and obviously they're perfect as their legacy leads up to. I have not experienced the new generation of Panama XLP's but I have dealt with the new Direct Drive Panama.. I was amazed how quiet it was for a Direct Drive/Spinner. Not worth the money that they were retailing at since Panama II's can still be found on ebay for around the same price but I would buy one if I needed too. Another option for the future is Emerson fans with the K55-XL motor, they are great too.
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Post by dano on Apr 7, 2019 18:02:18 GMT -5
I live in NJ and its just outright insane the price of some houses when you look at what you can get elsewhere in the country for the same price. Not to mention the property taxes are insane. I'm tempted to move some days out of state but my entire family is here as well as my wifes so were here probably indefinitely. What gets me is I live in the southern part of the state and we have a gigantic foreclosure rate yet the prices are still going up. We have the highest rate of people leaving in all 50 states and values are still rising. Its insane. If you can get something decent and cheap and add on/renovate you're in a much better position then building here. You're gonna spend probably close to $70k in permits and getting your well before you even start to clear your lot and get preparation done. Another option for the future is Emerson fans with the K55-XL motor, they are great too. Parkman, I hear you. My pictures all come from central NJ , lived there my whole life except for 6 years in Bucks County PA. We should have stayed there but we moved closer to my wife's job, and god damn they moved the company HQ right after we moved and we would have been closer where we left from. My commute kind of was the same to northern NJ. I really liked Eastern PA but sometimes you have to follow the jobs and NJ has themI saw some emerson select premiums on ebay now at a nice price but in all black. If somebody can point me to a link for light kit for the paramount I'd probably pull the trigger on buying one but I need a nice matching kit to put it in the MBR. That's the only bdrm that can hold that fan. It looks really nice. I actually prefer it a bit to the panama but like I said I think the panama is the better solution downstairs.
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Post by Noah C on Apr 7, 2019 22:00:01 GMT -5
For a 4-arm light kit, I'd point you to Emerson's 4-arm; Emerson's Brushed Steel finish is basically the same as Hunter's Brushed Nickel finish, so the fan would look cohesive. Link: rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F192185406561For a bowl light kit, this one is the best price I could find and looks the same as the others I found: m.lowes.com/pd/harbor-breeze-3-light-alabaster-incandescent-ceiling-fan-light-kit-with-alabaster-glass-shade/50354938?cm_mmc=shp-_-c-_-prd-_-ffx-_-google-_-lia-_-183-_-ceilingfanaccess-_-50354938-_-0&kpid&store_code=1743&k_clickID=go_625669417_34614218230_111133227790_aud-299487635210:pla-376696131031_m_1013701&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIrpn3w7-_4QIVwh6tBh3quQVPEAQYASABEgKuqvD_BwEMore light fitters here: www.homedepot.com/s/Fan%2520light%2520fitter?searchtype=text&NCNI-5For a globe, I'd buy one of these: www.hunterfan.com/ceiling-fan-accessories/brushed-nickel-globe-fitter-99172Note that the first, third, and fourth links are for fitters, which don't include the glass. For the first and third links, the fitters with 3 or 4 lights on them take 2 1/4" diameter glass. Amazon and eBay are great places to find this. The last fitter, which is for one single globe, takes 4" diameter glass. Check Amazon and eBay as well for that. Another great place to check out for all of that is here: www.rejuvenation.com/catalog/categories/lighting/shades
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Post by dano on Apr 8, 2019 8:59:05 GMT -5
"For a 4-arm light kit, I'd point you to Emerson's 4-arm; Emerson's Brushed Steel finish is basically the same as Hunter's Brushed Nickel finish, so the fan would look cohesive. Link: rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F192185406561" Thanks! So for the Emerson unit I'd be replacing the entire lower portion of the paramount and replacing it with the Emerson F440BS? For some reason I thought you only attached these kits to the bottom of the existing assembly (sorry don't know the terminology)
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Post by Parkman on Apr 8, 2019 12:55:53 GMT -5
The Emerson you would pop out the bottom of the switch housing (assembly as you stated, all good ) and then feed the threaded pipe through the hole that would now be in the switch housing and screw it on. Then use a nut to secure it. If you buy the Paramount XP or the light kit either way it should show you how to do it with a generic light kit. Hunter also made as I call them "integrated" light kits where you would replace the whole switch housing and then move the "guts" pull chain, capacitor, etc. into that. Thats the type of light kit I was talking about but they are getting rarer on ebay since Hunter changed there whole lineup to a more universal fit.
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