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Post by Cole D on Apr 16, 2019 22:48:00 GMT -5
I love the pictures too!
For some reason the Paramount seems smaller than the Panama from the photos, it could be because it appears to have a very thick motor housing, making the blade span seem narrower. I see that bump on top of the motor that makes it drop lower.
Personally I think the Panama suits the space better, but that might be because I saw it there first. But I love the Paramount too. Both nice fans!
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Post by Noah C on Apr 17, 2019 9:09:32 GMT -5
My two cents are that I like both fans for the space, but the Paramount looks cleaner in a way; Hunter didn't use the grommet design for the blades on the Paramount where the Panama uses the grommets, so there is that artificial blade sag that makes it appear a little "sloppier". As far as the drop goes, I'd get around that using a 2" downrod like the Panama is using, since the Paramount comes with a 3" downrod, so you'd get the drop to exactly 1' or 12". Actually the 2" downrods from the Panamas will fit the Paramount.
Seeing the Paramount in the space vs the Panama (with those blades I've said I don't care for), I'd say return one of the Panamas, buy another Paramount for downstairs, and convert the remaining Panama to pull chain (which should be coming for free through Hunter/Casablanca for one fan, as you've stated).
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Post by dano on Apr 17, 2019 13:00:15 GMT -5
My two cents are that I like both fans for the space, but the Paramount looks cleaner in a way; Hunter didn't use the grommet design for the blades on the Paramount where the Panama uses the grommets, so there is that artificial blade sag that makes it appear a little "sloppier". As far as the drop goes, I'd get around that using a 2" downrod like the Panama is using, since the Paramount comes with a 3" downrod, so you'd get the drop to exactly 1' or 12". Actually the 2" downrods from the Panamas will fit the Paramount. Seeing the Paramount in the space vs the Panama (with those blades I've said I don't care for), I'd say return one of the Panamas, buy another Paramount for downstairs, and convert the remaining Panama to pull chain (which should be coming for free through Hunter/Casablanca for one fan, as you've stated). The paramount came with the same grommets and attaching system as the panama. But it also has the a nice feature of being able to tighten the inner screw without removing the switch housing and the blade. What's happening with the panama is there is still a lot of play in between the bracket and blade, but the screw has bottomed, whereas the paramount is tight but hasn't bottomed. I'll have to pull them off and see if I can tighten the inner screw while taking some pressure off the outer ones. The hanging system on the paramount wasn't as easy though - trying to set the 3 canopy slide clip points was a challenge working alone on a ladder as it is a good bit heavier and didn't want to line up nicely. Part of the cleaner look of the paramount is that the motor housing has a 90 degree angle to the flat top whereas the panama angles up and you can see the top vents from below. With the 3" inch Paramount downrod there is only 1" of nickel exposed, I might as well try the mounting directly to the canopy because the 2" rod would leave no metal exposed (you'd just see the black plastic).
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Post by Parkman on Apr 17, 2019 13:23:03 GMT -5
The canopies that the Hunters of that era had weren't the most installation friendly but it really does look good. Now the suspense to what you're gonna keep there
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Post by Noah C on Apr 17, 2019 15:12:16 GMT -5
My two cents are that I like both fans for the space, but the Paramount looks cleaner in a way; Hunter didn't use the grommet design for the blades on the Paramount where the Panama uses the grommets, so there is that artificial blade sag that makes it appear a little "sloppier". As far as the drop goes, I'd get around that using a 2" downrod like the Panama is using, since the Paramount comes with a 3" downrod, so you'd get the drop to exactly 1' or 12". Actually the 2" downrods from the Panamas will fit the Paramount. Seeing the Paramount in the space vs the Panama (with those blades I've said I don't care for), I'd say return one of the Panamas, buy another Paramount for downstairs, and convert the remaining Panama to pull chain (which should be coming for free through Hunter/Casablanca for one fan, as you've stated). The paramount came with the same grommets and attaching system as the panama. But it also has the a nice feature of being able to tighten the inner screw without removing the switch housing and the blade. What's happening with the panama is there is still a lot of play in between the bracket and blade, but the screw has bottomed, whereas the paramount is tight but hasn't bottomed. I'll have to pull them off and see if I can tighten the inner screw while taking some pressure off the outer ones. The hanging system on the paramount wasn't as easy though - trying to set the 3 canopy slide clip points was a challenge working alone on a ladder as it is a good bit heavier and didn't want to line up nicely. Part of the cleaner look of the paramount is that the motor housing has a 90 degree angle to the flat top whereas the panama angles up and you can see the top vents from below. With the 3" inch Paramount downrod there is only 1" of nickel exposed, I might as well try the mounting directly to the canopy because the 2" rod would leave no metal exposed (you'd just see the black plastic). Right. This is because the grommets that Hunter and Casablanca currently use for most fans nowadays will leave that bit of play between the blade and the bracket; I did not know whether Hunter used grommets or not for the blades of the Paramount XP, but if so, it's likely either a lower-profile grommet design or potentially blade bracket screws that are either shorter, or the blade bracket itself could have a deeper threaded hole for the screws used . By the way, I hate that version of Hunter's mounting system, the sentiment is universal lol. That can definitely contribute to the cleaner aesthetic. I also think it's because the Paramount's blades are more of a normal shape; the blades that came with your Panama make it look a bit more "casual" and less "proper" than the Paramount, which I overall prefer for your application over anything else I've seen so far.
Hunter fans with the Paramount's mounting style and a 2" downrod (my Grand Lodge with that mounting bracket and canopy type came with a 2" downrod) will usually have around 1/2" of the metal exposed, like your Panama's downrod (modern Casablancas use the same mounting ball as current and slightly older Hunters); looks like a stub but the mount will still work, especially since the ball for that mounting system sits down in the canopy about 1/2". Hunter Originals with a 2" downrod look flushmounted (the Original is not ball-socket mount as you know already). I don't know how exactly flushmounting works with that particular mounting system from Hunter, but I'd recommend using the stubby 2" downrod as opposed to flushmounting, which is far more complicated of a process installation-wise and is more of a hindrance to how a ceiling fan performs when given conditions where the fan doesn't have to be flushmounted (when your fan's blades are too close to the ceiling [less than a 7 or 8" drop from ceiling to blade], the fan's performance nose-dives due to lack of sufficient space above the fan for air to be moved). I personally would only recommend flushmounting a fan when your ceilings are under 8'; 8' ceilings and above, I'd recommend using the shortest downrod that will work with the fan/that came with the fan.
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Post by dano on Apr 18, 2019 14:32:07 GMT -5
I think I'll try the paramount on the 2" inch panama rod first. It's just a bit tedious to do that so it may take a couple of days. Plus I have to steal the part from another fan and if I like it buy it and do it again. I guess I could buy a nickel downrod at Lowes and just cut it and drill the holes. Hunter probably wouldn't sell them as replacements because I only see the long ones on their site. The short ones probably only go with new fans and I can't imagine how upset they would be if they learned I was trying to modify a fan to fit the location by using a part that isn't listed with the model.
From what I measure if the canopy was right on the motor the blades would be at least 10" from the ceiling. If I like that I could return a nichel panama and use the other one upstairs. It wouldn't be terrible if I kept both panamas as I really want to replace all the fans anyway. I snagged a couple of those white panamas on ebay because I thought it was a ridiculous price so I'm not that far off.
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Post by Parkman on Apr 18, 2019 17:52:47 GMT -5
That was a good call on those Panama's I see they raised the price now to $139.. Still a good deal but now its blocking my temptation to buy one haha.
Sounds like you're getting close to the seven you wanted, I saw Amazon also has Paramount XP's in bronze for $109. IDK if that would help you with the rest of the house but still a good deal.
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Post by Cole D on Apr 18, 2019 18:39:21 GMT -5
I'm thinking about getting the brushed nickel Panama and a Paramount XLP as well as a white Panama. I'm a little hesitant though because the cheapest Panama on eBay is $50 more than on Amazon but I don't want it shipped UPS so I'm stuck with eBay I guess. I'm probably getting oen of the Panamas first and then go from there.
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Post by dano on Apr 18, 2019 20:51:12 GMT -5
That was a good call on those Panama's I see they raised the price now to $139.. Still a good deal but now its blocking my temptation to buy one haha. Sounds like you're getting close to the seven you wanted, I saw Amazon also has Paramount XP's in bronze for $109. IDK if that would help you with the rest of the house but still a good deal. The paramount xp on amazon was $99 in nickel - that's like $20 cheaper than the builder elite I just returned. At first it appeared to just be old stock, but I did find a ding in the motor housing. It's not too conspicuous, so maybe that was why it was returned? I mentioned it to the seller, and they said to dispose of the fan and they shipped another. I was just going to ask if they could swap the housing but ok, so I immediately secured it to my ceiling where it can never endanger another shopper. I think I'll love the white panamas with the pull chain and they are a tad smaller at 50" which is fine as well. I can put both upstairs or 1 in the sunroom. My wife has hinted a couple times that the original seems to low and she's probably right. If I can change out all the fans for less than 1K, I think we added much more than that to the value of the house. Some buyers notice notice that every room has a high quality fan and its worthwhile in finishing off a long project. The downside of this is I have nowhere to put anything else as I guess my 5 minute fan will end up in the basement and the harbor breeze and hamptons will probably be donated. As I tried to mention along the way, I really appreciate the help and leads you guys have provided. I really like fans (maybe not as much as some here) but also sleep with a couple of pedestal fans on every night for a few decades, and we even take them when we travel because we can't sleep without them.
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Post by Parkman on Apr 18, 2019 21:19:31 GMT -5
That was a good call on those Panama's I see they raised the price now to $139.. Still a good deal but now its blocking my temptation to buy one haha. Sounds like you're getting close to the seven you wanted, I saw Amazon also has Paramount XP's in bronze for $109. IDK if that would help you with the rest of the house but still a good deal. The paramount xp on amazon was $99 in nickel - that's like $20 cheaper than the builder elite I just returned. At first it appeared to just be old stock, but I did find a ding in the motor housing. It's not too conspicuous, so maybe that was why it was returned? I mentioned it to the seller, and they said to dispose of the fan and they shipped another. I was just going to ask if they could swap the housing but ok, so I immediately secured it to my ceiling where it can never endanger another shopper. I think I'll love the white panamas with the pull chain and they are a tad smaller at 50" which is fine as well. I can put both upstairs or 1 in the sunroom. My wife has hinted a couple times that the original seems to low and she's probably right. If I can change out all the fans for less than 1K, I think we added much more than that to the value of the house. Some buyers notice notice that every room has a high quality fan and its worthwhile in finishing off a long project. The downside of this is I have nowhere to put anything else as I guess my 5 minute fan will end up in the basement and the harbor breeze and hamptons will probably be donated. As I tried to mention along the way, I really appreciate the help and leads you guys have provided. I really like fans (maybe not as much as some here) but also sleep with a couple of pedestal fans on every night for a few decades, and we even take them when we travel because we can't sleep without them. Thats EXCELLENT customer service!! Now you have your two matching ones if you decide to go that route. Thats not bad at all $1k for 7 fans when you factor in the high quality. Not to mention you're getting air movers on top of it which is always a plus!! The used fan used to be better if you wanted to sell them for money however you'll probably only get $15 or so per fan on ebay. Donating would probably be much easier for you. I have to have a fan on when I sleep, I need the white noise and the air movement makes me feel at ease. My wife and I went away back in November, the hotel website showed fans in the rooms and our room did not have a fan needless to say it was hard to fall asleep
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Post by Parkman on Apr 18, 2019 21:21:06 GMT -5
I'm thinking about getting the brushed nickel Panama and a Paramount XLP as well as a white Panama. I'm a little hesitant though because the cheapest Panama on eBay is $50 more than on Amazon but I don't want it shipped UPS so I'm stuck with eBay I guess. I'm probably getting oen of the Panamas first and then go from there. I'm assuming the Brushed Nickel Panama will be the newer version and the white one would be old stock? I'm really wanting to buy something if I sell some of these random fans I have lying around. I'm thinking maybe time to finally get an Original since they are now damp rated.
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Post by Cole D on Apr 18, 2019 22:11:45 GMT -5
I'm thinking about getting the brushed nickel Panama and a Paramount XLP as well as a white Panama. I'm a little hesitant though because the cheapest Panama on eBay is $50 more than on Amazon but I don't want it shipped UPS so I'm stuck with eBay I guess. I'm probably getting oen of the Panamas first and then go from there. I'm assuming the Brushed Nickel Panama will be the newer version and the white one would be old stock? I'm really wanting to buy something if I sell some of these random fans I have lying around. I'm thinking maybe time to finally get an Original since they are now damp rated. Yeah, older style on the white, newer on the brushed nickel. I have seen some of the newer Panamas around in white with the XLP, but they're about $399 which I'm not paying. I might have seen a bronze one too, also same price. The new Originals are nice and all, but I don't think I'd pay what they cost now, I'm a bit of a cheapskate. If I got one I'd get vintage, although I used to see Originals around pretty often (usually white 5 bladers) but it's been years since I've seen any around here for sale. Still a little hesitant on getting these fans, but I figure now while I can afford it, why not. And the prices are good, don't have to try to find them from a collector, and who knows how hard it will be to find XLP Panamas in the future. I'd really like to get a weathered copper NOS Panama for my parents living room. The colors would fit and it's the perfect size at 50". But I kinda hate to remove that SMC spinner after 40+ years of it being there. An original vintage install. And they don't use the fan ever anyway. Also I meant to say the Paramount XP was $50 cheaper on Amazon than eBay, not the Panama. The $99 on Amazon is $140 or best offer on eBay.
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Post by Parkman on Apr 19, 2019 7:29:17 GMT -5
I'm assuming the Brushed Nickel Panama will be the newer version and the white one would be old stock? I'm really wanting to buy something if I sell some of these random fans I have lying around. I'm thinking maybe time to finally get an Original since they are now damp rated. Yeah, older style on the white, newer on the brushed nickel. I have seen some of the newer Panamas around in white with the XLP, but they're about $399 which I'm not paying. I might have seen a bronze one too, also same price. The new Originals are nice and all, but I don't think I'd pay what they cost now, I'm a bit of a cheapskate. If I got one I'd get vintage, although I used to see Originals around pretty often (usually white 5 bladers) but it's been years since I've seen any around here for sale. Still a little hesitant on getting these fans, but I figure now while I can afford it, why not. And the prices are good, don't have to try to find them from a collector, and who knows how hard it will be to find XLP Panamas in the future. I'd really like to get a weathered copper NOS Panama for my parents living room. The colors would fit and it's the perfect size at 50". But I kinda hate to remove that SMC spinner after 40+ years of it being there. An original vintage install. And they don't use the fan ever anyway. Also I meant to say the Paramount XP was $50 cheaper on Amazon than eBay, not the Panama. The $99 on Amazon is $140 or best offer on eBay. Good points! I sometimes just wanna push a fan thats been somewhere for so long just to see how long it truly will last. I completely agree $4-500 for an Original is insanely priced to my wallet. However I'm waiting for a refurbished one to come through. There was a white one not to long ago for $130 with shipping however I wanted Black preferably. For the Paramount XP, Frugalfair ships via FedEx since you don't want to deal with UPS.. Even on Amazon when I bought a fan from Frugalfair and it was shipped from Amazon's warehouse it was done via FedEx.
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Post by dano on Apr 19, 2019 9:14:38 GMT -5
the "new" paramount xp on ebay and amazaon are both from lightingworldonline @ $149. Although they put Best offer on the Ebay listing, I tried multiple offers and ultimately they sent a message that they could only come down $5 dollars as it was fully reduced. Not sure why they bothered putting Best Offer, or I think it defaults when putting the listing. I also mentioned the Home Depot has them online @169 and they will price match anything with a phone call, plus you can then return in store if needed.
Are the white panamas on Ebay HR 6699G (now @ $139) a much older model? I can find them on the casa site under parts but the links are dead on the models. XLP-2000 Motor - Lifetime Motor Warranty 50" or 42" blade span with a 15° pitch 4 and 5 blade configuration
There are refurb white originals on amazon now for $185 from frugalfair. Edit Cole, confirming the FrugalFair XP came by UPS and the white ebay panamas shipped Fedex. The Hunter direct panamas came Fedex. I messaged the dimensions.
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Post by Parkman on Apr 19, 2019 10:38:43 GMT -5
I'm not sure about the exact finish of your Panamas as if it was discontinued before 2013.. But 2013 was the last year for the Panama II which is the model you bought before the new generation Panama came out like the Brushed Nickel ones you bought. Ideally I would say since they are the "G" model which is a 4 Speed Pull Chain, they came out I think between 2006-2008 on the Panama. Someone can probably provide you with the Serial number decoder chart that can show you what day your fan was manufactured.
I'll have to check out amazon's frugalfair Originals.
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