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Post by dano on Apr 19, 2019 14:57:42 GMT -5
Ok, I got the wiring harness and housing today for the nickel panamaa. I was hoping it would plug and play without removing the receiver as I thought it was expected that i could still use the wall control, but just not for reverse. Unfortunately, the fan runs at about 50% rpm on all speeds (it does have 4 speeds and reverse). The receiver/wallcontrol is set on high. I'll have to remove the receiver and see if i get the same result but without some hacking on the wires I don't think I can use the wall control.
Edit: Later on I removed the receiver and wired the fan directly - same result (runs with 4 speeds and reverse but high is like 50% power) so the wiring harness is not interchangeable at least directly. If you have any ideas, let me know. I am pretty sure between the two parts it could be made to work but the pull chain version has different capacitors and 2 of them vs. one on the wall control version. I am willing to mess with the one harness I just received but not the one that belongs in the xlp, because I may return them both now. Lack of manual control is kind of a deal-breaker to me.
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Post by Parkman on Apr 19, 2019 21:16:13 GMT -5
I wish I could be of help to you here. Hopefully someone else can help you
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Post by Cole D on Apr 19, 2019 21:27:12 GMT -5
the "new" paramount xp on ebay and amazaon are both from lightingworldonline @ $149. Although they put Best offer on the Ebay listing, I tried multiple offers and ultimately they sent a message that they could only come down $5 dollars as it was fully reduced. Not sure why they bothered putting Best Offer, or I think it defaults when putting the listing. I also mentioned the Home Depot has them online @169 and they will price match anything with a phone call, plus you can then return in store if needed. Are the white panamas on Ebay HR 6699G (now @ $139) a much older model? I can find them on the casa site under parts but the links are dead on the models. XLP-2000 Motor - Lifetime Motor Warranty 50" or 42" blade span with a 15° pitch 4 and 5 blade configuration There are refurb white originals on amazon now for $185 from frugalfair. Edit Cole, confirming the FrugalFair XP came by UPS and the white ebay panamas shipped Fedex. The Hunter direct panamas came Fedex. I messaged the dimensions. Thanks for the shipping information. I got your message with the dimensions. The reason I prefer using FedEx vs UPS is that I can divert the packages to the nearest Walgreens for holding. I tend to do this with larger packages so they're not sitting while I'm not home. I guess I could have them shipped to my workplace, but I prefer not to with larger stuff.
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Post by Noah C on Apr 20, 2019 0:18:01 GMT -5
Ok, I got the wiring harness and housing today for the nickel panamaa. I was hoping it would plug and play without removing the receiver as I thought it was expected that i could still use the wall control, but just not for reverse. Unfortunately, the fan runs at about 50% rpm on all speeds (it does have 4 speeds and reverse). The receiver/wallcontrol is set on high. I'll have to remove the receiver and see if i get the same result but without some hacking on the wires I don't think I can use the wall control. Edit: Later on I removed the receiver and wired the fan directly - same result (runs with 4 speeds and reverse but high is like 50% power) so the wiring harness is not interchangeable at least directly. If you have any ideas, let me know. I am pretty sure between the two parts it could be made to work but the pull chain version has different capacitors and 2 of them vs. one on the wall control version. I am willing to mess with the one harness I just received but not the one that belongs in the xlp, because I may return them both now. Lack of manual control is kind of a deal-breaker to me. Interesting. Just for clarification, when you removed the receiver and hardwired the fan, did you also remove the wall control? Because if the wall control is still wired in the wall, the issue could be simply the pull chain setting of the wiring harness not being set to high speed, provided the wall control is still somehow controlling the fan without its receiver. A remote/wall controlled fan with a pull chain will run slower for each of its speeds from the remote/wall control when the fan's pull chain is not set to the high speed. Or, since that control is a Casablanca proprietary control system, it night not "play nice" with manual controls. On a side note, I would guess the wiring harness for the pull chain setup has at least three capacitors (one start capacitor, and two run capacitors often combined in the same unit[box]); the original wiring harness just has the start capacitor since the run capacitors are provided with the wall control. Still, the fan running slower than normal is perplexing... If the wall control isn't the issue, then this situation is certainly strange. If you haven't already, try removing the wall control altogether and replacing it with what was there before (which I am guessing was just a basic on/off switch), and see if the pull chain speeds work as intended. If none of these work, then I'd simply remove the fan and buy another Paramount, which I'll reiterate, I believe looks better in your downstairs space. This next move is a little cheeky, but something like this would likely have high probability of going unnoticed. If you take the 2" downrods from each box from your Panamas, use them for a dual Paramount install, and repackage the 3" downrods included with your Paramount(s) in the Panamas' boxes along with the rest of their parts (the Paramount and Panama are the same finish so there shouldn't be any visual differences between the downrods), you'd be able to save around $30 and time on the line with Hunter CS ordering the 2" downrods, since they aren't available for retail anywhere.
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Post by dano on Apr 20, 2019 8:56:06 GMT -5
Noah, I never installed the wall control. It is sitting next to me and is just a remote control with no wiring that can be installed in a junction box to appear built in. It worked fine, but the hard wiring into the fan is coming out of a switch and that was still there and working, then to the receiver, to the motor. If I bypass the receiver the fan performs the same, just very slow on all 4 speeds. On the lowest, it moves like a turtle. I hung the second paramount using the nickel panama xlp 2 inch rod. I need to go back to the other xlp and switch it from 3 to 2", but I'll probably just use one of the extra xlp rods and cut them, which is easy enough because I'll still need another short rod to move the xlp upstairs. Maybe (if this can't be made to work), in hindsight, I should have found the part number for the xlp pullchain fan rather than the spinner? Maybe the harness is different for the motors. I'll be able to test that on Monday when the white xlp arrive. Here is the Paramount XP on 2" Here is the Master bdrm fan where I'll move the nickel xlp. Here is a 14 by 14 bdrm which has a 52 inch fan. I'll probably pull this and put a white panama. Another smaller bedroom, maybe 10X14 which currently has a 42.
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Post by Cole D on Apr 20, 2019 9:00:54 GMT -5
That's strange. Didn't you say you had tried bypassing the receiver and using the harness from your 5 minute Hunter and it worked fine?
I think I'd do what you did and just use both Paramounts downstairs and move XLP upstairs.
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Post by Cole D on Apr 20, 2019 9:04:10 GMT -5
Yeah, older style on the white, newer on the brushed nickel. I have seen some of the newer Panamas around in white with the XLP, but they're about $399 which I'm not paying. I might have seen a bronze one too, also same price. The new Originals are nice and all, but I don't think I'd pay what they cost now, I'm a bit of a cheapskate. If I got one I'd get vintage, although I used to see Originals around pretty often (usually white 5 bladers) but it's been years since I've seen any around here for sale. Still a little hesitant on getting these fans, but I figure now while I can afford it, why not. And the prices are good, don't have to try to find them from a collector, and who knows how hard it will be to find XLP Panamas in the future. I'd really like to get a weathered copper NOS Panama for my parents living room. The colors would fit and it's the perfect size at 50". But I kinda hate to remove that SMC spinner after 40+ years of it being there. An original vintage install. And they don't use the fan ever anyway. Also I meant to say the Paramount XP was $50 cheaper on Amazon than eBay, not the Panama. The $99 on Amazon is $140 or best offer on eBay. Good points! I sometimes just wanna push a fan thats been somewhere for so long just to see how long it truly will last. I completely agree $4-500 for an Original is insanely priced to my wallet. However I'm waiting for a refurbished one to come through. There was a white one not to long ago for $130 with shipping however I wanted Black preferably. For the Paramount XP, Frugalfair ships via FedEx since you don't want to deal with UPS.. Even on Amazon when I bought a fan from Frugalfair and it was shipped from Amazon's warehouse it was done via FedEx. I don't know why Originals are so expensive these days. That price from Frugalfair seems good as long as it doesn't have any damage. I wish I had kept that Archive Original I had gotten in 2008 when Home Depot was clearancing them for $99. We had bought one (they only had the white finish ones) and one of those big schoolhouse lights. But it was too heavy according to my dad so we returned it. I should have put it in my bedroom, or maybe I asked but still was refused.
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Post by Parkman on Apr 20, 2019 10:59:14 GMT -5
Noah, I never installed the wall control. It is sitting next to me and is just a remote control with no wiring that can be installed in a junction box to appear built in. It worked fine, but the hard wiring into the fan is coming out of a switch and that was still there and working, then to the receiver, to the motor. If I bypass the receiver the fan performs the same, just very slow on all 4 speeds. On the lowest, it moves like a turtle. I hung the second paramount using the nickel panama xlp 2 inch rod. I need to go back to the other xlp and switch it from 3 to 2", but I'll probably just use one of the extra xlp rods and cut them, which is easy enough because I'll still need another short rod to move the xlp upstairs. Maybe (if this can't be made to work), in hindsight, I should have found the part number for the xlp pullchain fan rather than the spinner? Maybe the harness is different for the motors. I'll be able to test that on Monday when the white xlp arrive. Here is the xlp on 2" Here is the Master bdrm fan where I'll move the nickel xlp. Here is a 14 by 14 bdrm which has a 52 inch fan. I'll probably pull this and put a white panama. Another smaller bedroom, maybe 10X14 which currently has a 42. I LOVE the Paramount Install!!!! That is perfect!! Sounds like a great plan! Any ideas what will replace the 42" Harbor Breeze in the smaller bedroom?
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Post by Parkman on Apr 20, 2019 11:00:23 GMT -5
Good points! I sometimes just wanna push a fan thats been somewhere for so long just to see how long it truly will last. I completely agree $4-500 for an Original is insanely priced to my wallet. However I'm waiting for a refurbished one to come through. There was a white one not to long ago for $130 with shipping however I wanted Black preferably. For the Paramount XP, Frugalfair ships via FedEx since you don't want to deal with UPS.. Even on Amazon when I bought a fan from Frugalfair and it was shipped from Amazon's warehouse it was done via FedEx. I don't know why Originals are so expensive these days. That price from Frugalfair seems good as long as it doesn't have any damage. I wish I had kept that Archive Original I had gotten in 2008 when Home Depot was clearancing them for $99. We had bought one (they only had the white finish ones) and one of those big schoolhouse lights. But it was too heavy according to my dad so we returned it. I should have put it in my bedroom, or maybe I asked but still was refused. I doubt they would be and I know Brian Hicks said he bought an Archive Original from Frugalfair and had a problem and they sent him a whole new unit just like they did for Dano and did for me before. EXCELLENT customer service.
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Post by dano on Apr 20, 2019 13:32:42 GMT -5
I don't know why Originals are so expensive these days. That price from Frugalfair seems good as long as it doesn't have any damage. I wish I had kept that Archive Original I had gotten in 2008 when Home Depot was clearancing them for $99. We had bought one (they only had the white finish ones) and one of those big schoolhouse lights. But it was too heavy according to my dad so we returned it. I should have put it in my bedroom, or maybe I asked but still was refused. I doubt they would be and I know Brian Hicks said he bought an Archive Original from Frugalfair and had a problem and they sent him a whole new unit just like they did for Dano and did for me before. EXCELLENT customer service. Agreed on that one if you want an original. I would be all over that original for $189 with the assurance if you have an issue you may have 2. The paramounts looked like NOS and the dent I had could have just been from storage. My open box original from ebay is 2008. I had some issues with the seller shorting me on blades and brackets and then he sent mismatched brackets so I went ahead an ordered a new set of brackets so now my all in cost is the same and I think the late models are even better. Now that I installed the matched brackets I can say that is just a beautiful fan that doesn't vibrate in the least at full speed. I really want to find a 2" rod for it with the double threaded ends. Standing under the orginal vs. the paramount, it feels like the original is putting out more air but they are both rated the same. Not sure what they did to up the cfm on the newer ones, but I know the blade brackets are much heavier. Here is the XLP panama now in our Bedroom. I think it looks great.
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Post by dano on Apr 20, 2019 13:36:59 GMT -5
That's strange. Didn't you say you had tried bypassing the receiver and using the harness from your 5 minute Hunter and it worked fine? I think I'd do what you did and just use both Paramounts downstairs and move XLP upstairs. I forgot all about that but I don't know if I really checked the speeds too carefully but that was a 3 speed switch.
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Post by dano on Apr 20, 2019 13:52:40 GMT -5
Sounds like a great plan! Any ideas what will replace the 42" Harbor Breeze in the smaller bedroom? I'm going to put the white panama in the 14X14 room for sure. the other white panama will either replace the original in the sunroom or go into the smaller bedroom. If I pull the original out of the sunroom, it will have to go in the fourth bdrom leaving the 42" harbor breeze there for the moment or I could use my 5 minute fan or buy another white panama. Depends on how much I like them. I think the room can hold a 50 inch fan NP but I do have to find nice light kits for those bedrooms.
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Post by Parkman on Apr 20, 2019 14:01:33 GMT -5
Sounds like a great plan! Any ideas what will replace the 42" Harbor Breeze in the smaller bedroom? I'm going to put the white panama in the 14X14 room for sure. the other white panama will either replace the original in the sunroom or go into the smaller bedroom. If I pull the original out of the sunroom, it will have to go in the fourth bdrom leaving the 42" harbor breeze there for the moment or I could use my 5 minute fan or buy another white panama. Depends on how much I like them. I think the room can hold a 50 inch fan NP but I do have to find nice light kits for those bedrooms. If you decide you want something 42" for that room PM me I might have something that might be perfect for you.
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Post by Cole D on Apr 20, 2019 14:13:44 GMT -5
The Panama looks good. Also, sort of off topic, but I don't know how well it performs, but I've always liked the looks of that 42" Harbor Breeze. The blade arms and the motor housing and vents look very similar to vintage fans. It has an 80s/90s Lasko or Emerson look to it.
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Post by Parkman on Apr 20, 2019 14:21:02 GMT -5
The Panama looks good. Also, sort of off topic, but I don't know how well it performs, but I've always liked the looks of that 42" Harbor Breeze. The blade arms and the motor housing and vents look very similar to vintage fans. It has an 80s/90s Lasko or Emerson look to it. I agree the motor housing always reminded me of the 90's 42" Lasko's while the blade arms were like the 1895 Series. These were marketed as the Bella Vista and then later the Bellevue. I don't know if there was any change in them other than the name. The Lansing series replaced these.
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