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Post by fancollector12 on Nov 3, 2018 2:31:11 GMT -5
I like the look of the 200 and Dart but they didn't seem to sell well. It's a shame Ford isn't making cars after next year. I liked the Fusion and Taurus. Toyotas are ok, but I don't believe they are any more reliable than any other make right now. Plus, no offense, but I find the Camry and Corolla utterly boring. And Toyota seems kind of stingy with features now. I mean, I just saw a Toyota Camry SE for sale. Supposedly the sporty version, and it has NO fog lights or spoiler. I was like, seriously, I thought that was what the SE was supposed to have over an LE. I did see an older Camry XLE recently on Youtube that was sweet. It had the audio controls PLUS climate controls on the wheel, plus back up camera and blue tooth all on a 2008 model. Even had reclining rear seats, rear vents, and rear window shade. A lot of those features you would see on an Avalon. I was totally impressed, but I bet the chances of finding an XLE Camry are slim to none. They all seem to be the again, very boring LE models. I do like the new Impalas. I even liked the older 2006- gen ones. Which was weird because they made both body styles at the same time until a few years ago. A lot of people made fun of that gen Impala but I liked the simplistic design it had compared to others at the time. Impalas (specifically, the rental-exclusive Impala Limited models from 2014-2016) can be had for cheap, and are very common in LTZ trim (aka top of the line... leather, heated seats, Bose stereo, remote start, SiriusXM Radio, Bluetooth phone, etc.)... I drove a base-model Impala Limited (LS) back in 2015 with the 3.6L V6 and 6-speed automatic and was quite impressed despite how "basic" the car looks. If you're looking to spend $15k, you can get a good deal on an Impala Limited LTZ. Check out Enterprise Car Sales and Avis/Budget Car Sales, who frequently resell them from their rental fleets.  |
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Post by Cole D on Nov 3, 2018 14:03:04 GMT -5
My S10 is the first car I ever saw with that when it was my Grandpas. It is convenient! I use SiriusXM (its one of my only luxuries) and that is nice having all of the information as well. I agree. I'm surprised how nice my radio is for a 2001... it has RDS, auto clock set, seek by music type, plus even has speed sensitive volume, so I rarely have to adjust it. The only thing it doesn't have is a way to listen to a phone or MP3, since it doesn't have a cassette deck or aux jack. Oddly it has an auxiliary button, but it doesn't do anything and there's no input jacks anywhere for one. Impalas (specifically, the rental-exclusive Impala Limited models from 2014-2016) can be had for cheap, and are very common in LTZ trim (aka top of the line... leather, heated seats, Bose stereo, remote start, SiriusXM Radio, Bluetooth phone, etc.)... I drove a base-model Impala Limited (LS) back in 2015 with the 3.6L V6 and 6-speed automatic and was quite impressed despite how "basic" the car looks. If you're looking to spend $15k, you can get a good deal on an Impala Limited LTZ. Check out Enterprise Car Sales and Avis/Budget Car Sales, who frequently resell them from their rental fleets. Yeah, the Impala Limited is basic but looks nice. For some reason I was thinking the dash board was a lot like the previous gen Silverado LTZ, but it's not quite. It does look silly how Chevy deleted the Impala symbol at the back of the quarter windows a few years into that gen. They brought it back with the current gen, but still. But I do like cars with those quarter windows, I think that's one thing I like about the Impala and Fusion. I also liked how the previous gen Taurus (the renamed Five Hundred) had those also, it reminded me as a throwback to the first and second gen Taurus. |
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Post by fancollector12 on Nov 4, 2018 3:46:35 GMT -5
My S10 is the first car I ever saw with that when it was my Grandpas. It is convenient! I use SiriusXM (its one of my only luxuries) and that is nice having all of the information as well. I agree. I'm surprised how nice my radio is for a 2001... it has RDS, auto clock set, seek by music type, plus even has speed sensitive volume, so I rarely have to adjust it. The only thing it doesn't have is a way to listen to a phone or MP3, since it doesn't have a cassette deck or aux jack. Oddly it has an auxiliary button, but it doesn't do anything and there's no input jacks anywhere for one. Impalas (specifically, the rental-exclusive Impala Limited models from 2014-2016) can be had for cheap, and are very common in LTZ trim (aka top of the line... leather, heated seats, Bose stereo, remote start, SiriusXM Radio, Bluetooth phone, etc.)... I drove a base-model Impala Limited (LS) back in 2015 with the 3.6L V6 and 6-speed automatic and was quite impressed despite how "basic" the car looks. If you're looking to spend $15k, you can get a good deal on an Impala Limited LTZ. Check out Enterprise Car Sales and Avis/Budget Car Sales, who frequently resell them from their rental fleets. Yeah, the Impala Limited is basic but looks nice. For some reason I was thinking the dash board was a lot like the previous gen Silverado LTZ, but it's not quite. It does look silly how Chevy deleted the Impala symbol at the back of the quarter windows a few years into that gen. They brought it back with the current gen, but still. But I do like cars with those quarter windows, I think that's one thing I like about the Impala and Fusion. I also liked how the previous gen Taurus (the renamed Five Hundred) had those also, it reminded me as a throwback to the first and second gen Taurus. The layout of the dash is nearly identical to a Tahoe/Suburban/Avalanche/Yukon/Yukon XL with only subtle changes. I'd recommend an Impala. |
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Post by becausecanadia on Nov 19, 2018 2:59:35 GMT -5
Did a projector retrofit on the Tercel with my old setup from the F150, I love how they turned out and the lighting upgrade was WELL worth it.   |
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Post by Parkman on Nov 19, 2018 23:22:02 GMT -5
Update I learned the updated Cruze for 2019 HAS A BUTTON that you can shut the stop/start system off... Now I'm tempted to trade my wifes Elantra in that I'm growing to dislike... However the incentives aren't good on them yet.
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Post by fancollector12 on Nov 20, 2018 2:51:10 GMT -5
Update I learned the updated Cruze for 2019 HAS A BUTTON that you can shut the stop/start system off... Now I'm tempted to trade my wifes Elantra in that I'm growing to dislike... However the incentives aren't good on them yet. Practically every (if not every) car with Auto Stop-Start has a button to turn it off... however, you MUST do it each time, unfortunately pressing it once does NOT permanently shut it off.  |
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Post by Parkman on Nov 20, 2018 7:33:29 GMT -5
Update I learned the updated Cruze for 2019 HAS A BUTTON that you can shut the stop/start system off... Now I'm tempted to trade my wifes Elantra in that I'm growing to dislike... However the incentives aren't good on them yet. Practically every (if not every) car with Auto Stop-Start has a button to turn it off... however, you MUST do it each time, unfortunately pressing it once does NOT permanently shut it off. No I know. Plus every mechanic I know says its a horrendous idea and theres all sorts of videos on YouTube explaining why. I would have preferred the Cruze (ultimately I wanted a Camry but it was her car) as I felt the build quality was better and time is showing that to be true. The car is 11 months old now and the interior is the cheapest plastic I've ever seen. It makes this annoying noise when I accelerate that I've taken to two different dealers. The one said they couldn't figure it out and had six different techs look at it. The second dealer said that Hyundai's use different lifters in there engines so it makes them louder like a Harley Davidson.. I told that guy he's full of it. I've looked on the forums and others have this problem and no dealer can figure it out. I obviously have some buyers remorse but this is ridiculous. |
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Post by fancollector12 on Nov 21, 2018 3:19:39 GMT -5
Practically every (if not every) car with Auto Stop-Start has a button to turn it off... however, you MUST do it each time, unfortunately pressing it once does NOT permanently shut it off. No I know. Plus every mechanic I know says its a horrendous idea and theres all sorts of videos on YouTube explaining why. I would have preferred the Cruze (ultimately I wanted a Camry but it was her car) as I felt the build quality was better and time is showing that to be true. The car is 11 months old now and the interior is the cheapest plastic I've ever seen. It makes this annoying noise when I accelerate that I've taken to two different dealers. The one said they couldn't figure it out and had six different techs look at it. The second dealer said that Hyundai's use different lifters in there engines so it makes them louder like a Harley Davidson.. I told that guy he's full of it. I've looked on the forums and others have this problem and no dealer can figure it out. I obviously have some buyers remorse but this is ridiculous. My aunt and uncle have a '17 Elantra and really like it. They get around 35-37 MPG. |
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Post by Parkman on Nov 21, 2018 8:31:18 GMT -5
MPG and the style are the only things I like about it and the price.. If I did it over again, I'd have sold her last car, cut us down to two trucks for a while (let her drive the new one) and waited till we could afford just buy a crossover outright.
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Post by Cole D on Nov 22, 2018 7:12:56 GMT -5
I looked at the pictures of the Elantra since I didn't know what the new ones looked like. It looks nice, a friend of mine had an older one, I think a 2004? GT model. It seemed like a nice little car, but it had an electrical issue no one could find.
I was interested in the Hyundai Sonata or Kia Optima, but I want a used one and all I could find around here were the LX models in a used. Also I'm having a heck of a time to find a used Ford Taurus Limited. All of the used ones anyone has are SE or SEL... I did see one SEL I might be interested in but it didn't quite have the features I wanted.
For trucks, I gave up on getting one because they're way too expensive. I saw a Ram I thought I would like for $25,000 but turned out it was just a base model with NON-heated aftermarket leather seats in it, which I would not want unheated leather. I also saw a 2013 Silverado LTZ for $23k which I really like but it's too far away. It had the Suburban/Yukon interior in tan/brown which was really pretty plus heated and cooled seats.
I'm trying to stick to local dealers because I'm afraid if there's a problem, then I have to drive all the way back and ford to take it back. But the local dealers seem to have diddly as far as what I want. All they have are base models, or higher mileage...
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Post by Parkman on Nov 22, 2018 10:05:22 GMT -5
I looked at the pictures of the Elantra since I didn't know what the new ones looked like. It looks nice, a friend of mine had an older one, I think a 2004? GT model. It seemed like a nice little car, but it had an electrical issue no one could find. I was interested in the Hyundai Sonata or Kia Optima, but I want a used one and all I could find around here were the LX models in a used. Also I'm having a heck of a time to find a used Ford Taurus Limited. All of the used ones anyone has are SE or SEL... I did see one SEL I might be interested in but it didn't quite have the features I wanted. For trucks, I gave up on getting one because they're way too expensive. I saw a Ram I thought I would like for $25,000 but turned out it was just a base model with NON-heated aftermarket leather seats in it, which I would not want unheated leather. I also saw a 2013 Silverado LTZ for $23k which I really like but it's too far away. It had the Suburban/Yukon interior in tan/brown which was really pretty plus heated and cooled seats. I'm trying to stick to local dealers because I'm afraid if there's a problem, then I have to drive all the way back and ford to take it back. But the local dealers seem to have diddly as far as what I want. All they have are base models, or higher mileage... The Sonata be careful. I was thinking about trading in the Elantra for a 2018 leftover but apparently the last few years they've had the 2.4 Engine that there was a major problem/recall with. They supposedly fixed it but its still in the new ones. The Taurus is a tricky one cause dealers barely stock them new and finding them new is just as hard. Our local dealers would get them and they would have NEW limited ones marked down about $10,000 because NO one buys them. Everyone of every demographic just jumps to a Fusion. Supposedly the Fusion although smaller has more interior room I've heard from multiple reviews. In my area $23k gets you a full size with 60-90k miles. Its scary how trucks barely depreciate anymore!! The Frontier is the only one if you can live with a midsize truck that dents a bit in deprecation. You can get one with 20,000 miles loaded 1 or 2 years old for $24k. |
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Post by Cole D on Nov 23, 2018 8:42:16 GMT -5
I loved the look of the older Sonatas and Optimas that came out in 2011. The styling was very nice and they had a nice range of options starting then. The newer generation just doesn't appeal to me as much, but I'm told the handling is far better with the new Hyundais and Kias, which I heard was the only thing lagging with the early 2010s models.
Yeah I don't see that many Tauruses out on the road, so it seems they don't sell that well. I heard the same thing about the interior space on the Taurus.
I think the reason older trucks are still expensive is because the selling price when they're new tends to be $50-80,000 so they will cost more used than a car that costed maybe $20-30,000 new. But I think it's also driven by demand, since crew cabs especially tend to be a popular buy. Though even the regular cabs if you buy them used are nearly as much as a new one.
Most people these days seem to be going away from cars and toward SUVs and crossovers. It seems like some American makes in the past put more attention into their trucks and SUVs than they did sedans, if you notice often options wouldn't be available on sedans that were on trucks etc. Though I think this had started to change when gas prices started going up and people were getting away from the gas guzzlers.
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Post by Parkman on Nov 23, 2018 15:13:47 GMT -5
I loved the look of the older Sonatas and Optimas that came out in 2011. The styling was very nice and they had a nice range of options starting then. The newer generation just doesn't appeal to me as much, but I'm told the handling is far better with the new Hyundais and Kias, which I heard was the only thing lagging with the early 2010s models. Yeah I don't see that many Tauruses out on the road, so it seems they don't sell that well. I heard the same thing about the interior space on the Taurus. I think the reason older trucks are still expensive is because the selling price when they're new tends to be $50-80,000 so they will cost more used than a car that costed maybe $20-30,000 new. But I think it's also driven by demand, since crew cabs especially tend to be a popular buy. Though even the regular cabs if you buy them used are nearly as much as a new one. Most people these days seem to be going away from cars and toward SUVs and crossovers. It seems like some American makes in the past put more attention into their trucks and SUVs than they did sedans, if you notice often options wouldn't be available on sedans that were on trucks etc. Though I think this had started to change when gas prices started going up and people were getting away from the gas guzzlers. The refreshed 2018+ Sonata speaks to me, I found the 2015 redesign to be so bland and way too conservative in comparison to the previous generations which were radically designed for there time. Definitely and they build the incentives into the prices too when you see all of those $13,000 off a new RAM or something. Its just like Jeep Wranglers they are insanely priced used. I agree that if/when gas prices shoot up that there will be a shift to cars but I keep reading how the reason automakers are defending there decisions so much is now that the Crossovers have taken over the SUV market its more gas friendly. The Body On Frame SUV's has been phased out quite a bit. Also they shrunk the engines in a lot of them as well. While a Ford Explorer used to have a 4.0 V6 or V8 in 1999 now you're Explorer gets a tiny displacement Ecoboost Turbocharged V6 that is an arm and a leg or you go down to an Escape and the largest you can get is a 2.0 Ecoboost. |
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Post by Cole D on Nov 24, 2018 10:45:48 GMT -5
I found the same thing with the 2015+ Sonata being too bland compared to the previous. It's like they had a great design for the 2011 but couldn't seem to improve it, so they kind of took a step backwards. The newer Sonata Limited with the technology package I find pretty nice though, and having the right color combo really helps it look nice.
I went to look at cars again yesterday and went including to two Ford dealers, one of which only had one Taurus (a new SEL) and the other had one used Taurus SEL and I didn't see any new ones unless I missed something.
I did see both a Fusion SE and a Focus Hatchback Titanium that I really liked, but I really would like if I could find a Taurus Limited to compare with and see which I like best. A Chevy dealer I went to also had a bit more equipped SEL. The other two Taurus I saw were both SEL and weren't really what I would want.
And yeah, on the engines Ford came out with a small SUV called the EcoSport and it has a three cylinder engine on the base model! Or a 4 cyl as an option. Should be very efficient. I can see the utility of the small crossovers everyone is making. I've always preferred a traditional SUV like an Explorer, Tahoe, etc. But the newer full size SUVs have a cave like feeling (at least from pictures) and wide pillars that look like a blind spot nightmare.
Really if I was looking for a larger vehicle I'd like a minivan regardless of what anyone thinks. The Grand Caravan GT looks good (black wheels, smoked headlights, red stitched interior and ambient lights). Although I don't like the full-black interiors much, but otherwise they're very nicely equipped, tons of space. The Town and Country Touring L twin with the two tone beige/brown interior I like better, but it's not as sporty as the GT.
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Post by fancollector12 on Nov 25, 2018 3:53:47 GMT -5
The Taurus SEL we have at our used car dealership is selling for around $20k with 8k miles on the odometer, and it's a 2017 with the non-turbo V6 and FWD. Pretty basic, but it has satellite radio, Bluetooth, remote start, and power seats (cloth seats). You may be able to get a good deal on a brand new Taurus since production ends in the spring with Ford phasing out car production. They are pretty comfortable cars from what I understand.
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