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Post by Parkman on Oct 31, 2018 9:01:15 GMT -5
I refuse to get a Malibu and a lot of GM vehicles because you can't shut off that STUPID stop/start system. Thats why we ended up with a new Hyundai Elantra instead of a Cruze for my wife. My two rules were NO CVT and NO Stop Start that isn't optional to turn off. Actually there's a way to program it, you just have to recode it. Everything I've read the only way around is to put it in manual mode and bring it up to the highest gear through that, which is ridiculous. I'm not gonna spend thousands of our hard earned dollars for such nonsense. I've owned 2 GM Vehicles and currently there is not one I would buy with all the fuel saving crap between that and there cylinder deactivation that has been awful (and I know several people who own GM's with such a problem). My advice now is If you're buying American at this point buy a Ford. |
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Post by Jordan U on Oct 31, 2018 10:30:10 GMT -5
I doubt I would use those apps on a car. But I would probably like Bluetooth if I need to make a phone call. Plus I would probably use navigation if I had it. I think it would probably be a lot easier to use than my phone for that, when driving. Also my current car CD player is broken so all I have is AM/FM. But if I was driving on a trip, I'd probably like an input jack to play Pandora from my phone in the car, or a USB stick. But I doubt there are any newer cars these days that don't at least have that feature.
I have a TOMTOM GPS that I use quite often.. I prefer the portable GPS over one ingrained in the car.. Should a situation arise where I need to use someone else's vehicle, I like being able to take along the equipment I'm familiar with.. There's also the factor of if it ever breaks or gets messed up, it's a lot cheaper to replace a portable unit than to replace the car's, and there's also no hassle of being without the car while it's being repaired..
Actually there's a way to program it, you just have to recode it. Everything I've read the only way around is to put it in manual mode and bring it up to the highest gear through that, which is ridiculous. I'm not gonna spend thousands of our hard earned dollars for such nonsense. I've owned 2 GM Vehicles and currently there is not one I would buy with all the fuel saving crap between that and there cylinder deactivation that has been awful (and I know several people who own GM's with such a problem). My advice now is If you're buying American at this point buy a Ford vehicle or select FCA's.
I think you're better off making conscious decisions about what kind of vehicle you buy and how you drive it.. Getting a manual transmission instead of an auto will always give you a few more miles to the gallon, don't accelerate as quickly as your vehicle possibly can, open the windows instead of using the air conditioner, if you know you'll be sitting in traffic for 5 minutes without moving cut the engine off yourself, etc.. |
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Post by Parkman on Oct 31, 2018 12:52:21 GMT -5
I doubt I would use those apps on a car. But I would probably like Bluetooth if I need to make a phone call. Plus I would probably use navigation if I had it. I think it would probably be a lot easier to use than my phone for that, when driving. Also my current car CD player is broken so all I have is AM/FM. But if I was driving on a trip, I'd probably like an input jack to play Pandora from my phone in the car, or a USB stick. But I doubt there are any newer cars these days that don't at least have that feature.
I have a TOMTOM GPS that I use quite often.. I prefer the portable GPS over one ingrained in the car.. Should a situation arise where I need to use someone else's vehicle, I like being able to take along the equipment I'm familiar with.. There's also the factor of if it ever breaks or gets messed up, it's a lot cheaper to replace a portable unit than to replace the car's, and there's also no hassle of being without the car while it's being repaired..
Everything I've read the only way around is to put it in manual mode and bring it up to the highest gear through that, which is ridiculous. I'm not gonna spend thousands of our hard earned dollars for such nonsense. I've owned 2 GM Vehicles and currently there is not one I would buy with all the fuel saving crap between that and there cylinder deactivation that has been awful (and I know several people who own GM's with such a problem). My advice now is If you're buying American at this point buy a Ford vehicle or select FCA's.
I think you're better off making conscious decisions about what kind of vehicle you buy and how you drive it.. Getting a manual transmission instead of an auto will always give you a few more miles to the gallon, don't accelerate as quickly as your vehicle possibly can, open the windows instead of using the air conditioner, if you know you'll be sitting in traffic for 5 minutes without moving cut the engine off yourself, etc..I watched a video on youtube that states on well built hybrid vehicles like the Toyota Prius they put a starter in it that is like 10x the usage rating of a traditional starter for that. But then on a Chevy Cruze that has Stop/Start its a traditional starter that should wear out within 3 years. I agree fuel consumption is insane despite numbers stating that we are using less fuel in our country or at least depending less on foreign fuel. My thought is that all of this talk of Electric Cars is insane as the technology for batteries to be cost efficient and reliable just simply isn't fully there yet as well as the energy instead of coming from refined oil which becomes gas comes from whatever fuel your electric source is. I'll stick with an efficient reliable V6 it has the power while not to much fuel is used. My wife is fine with a 4 cylinder, I prefer and as driving is a hobby for me some more power. Too each his own its just like the people with the V8 pickups that never haul anything more than a bag of groceries in the bed if you want to pay for it and the fuel then go for it. |
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Post by Jordan U on Oct 31, 2018 15:30:46 GMT -5
Generally I've heard good things about the Prius.. I still have to question it though, if you figure under average usage, someone will drive to work, perhaps go out for lunch, go to a store after work, then go home.. So we'll say the engine gets cranked 5 times/day.. If the engine stops every time you hit a traffic light, multiple times when you reach a stop-sign with a row of traffic in front of it, waiting to turn, etc.. that number is going through the roof!
I always thought electric cars were dumb because most likely the batteries are being charged by some fossil-fuel based power plant.. So not only are there still pollutants being produced to get the electricity, you now have to factor in the disposal of the batteries, which contain highly toxic materials.. And those are no small batteries in those vehicles.. If there were to be solar panels installed on the cars and they could operate and charge during the day from the sun, then that would be pretty brilliant, but then again you still need a better battery.. Regardless, I think that technology being affordable is still a ways away..
I feel the same way.. I don't like how the 4 cylinder handles, 8 is overkill if you don't need it, so I have a 6.. I think it provides a good balance of efficiency and performance..
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Post by Cole D on Oct 31, 2018 16:58:17 GMT -5
My car has the 6 cylinder and I like it. I notice a lot of newer cars have the 4 cylinder. Like you'd expect the 4 cylinder to be in the Ford Fiesta and Focus, but you can't get a 6 cylinder in the Fusion, you'd have to get a Taurus. I don't think you can get the Malibu in a 6 cylinder anymore.
Despite all of these fuel saving technologies, the gas mileage doesn't seem all that much better. My car gets up to about 32 miles per gallon highway, which is not much less than a lot of new cars, even compact ones.
I was kind of trying to put off getting a new car, and see if electric cars get cheaper when I replaced it. But it looks a ways off... I wouldn't buy a used hybrid because I figure the batteries will cost a lot when they need to be replaced.
I agree that engine stop/start sounds crazy. I wouldn't want it.
I listen to the radio once in a while when I drive. My radio does have RDS though and that's a feature I'm not willing to give up when I trade. I won't buy any car without it. Which tends to rule out a lot of the base models, because the radios in them just show a big frequency display instead.
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Post by Parkman on Oct 31, 2018 22:26:06 GMT -5
Generally I've heard good things about the Prius.. I still have to question it though, if you figure under average usage, someone will drive to work, perhaps go out for lunch, go to a store after work, then go home.. So we'll say the engine gets cranked 5 times/day.. If the engine stops every time you hit a traffic light, multiple times when you reach a stop-sign with a row of traffic in front of it, waiting to turn, etc.. that number is going through the roof!
I always thought electric cars were dumb because most likely the batteries are being charged by some fossil-fuel based power plant.. So not only are there still pollutants being produced to get the electricity, you now have to factor in the disposal of the batteries, which contain highly toxic materials.. And those are no small batteries in those vehicles.. If there were to be solar panels installed on the cars and they could operate and charge during the day from the sun, then that would be pretty brilliant, but then again you still need a better battery.. Regardless, I think that technology being affordable is still a ways away..
I feel the same way.. I don't like how the 4 cylinder handles, 8 is overkill if you don't need it, so I have a 6.. I think it provides a good balance of efficiency and performance.. In all honesty Toyota is probably the only hybrid car I would consider either a Prius or Camry Hybrid if I had to get one. My In laws bought a Cruze a month before we bought our Elantra last year and my Father In law said with like stop and go traffic it has to do with how hard you hit the peddle. THANK YOU! You understand what I've been telling all these EV advocates. The same people that praise the electric cars are the ones getting a new cell phone every year and tossing there old one in a landfill. I think there was a brand of car that attempted the solar panel before Fisker? Or something else I think they may have came out during the Obama bailout of GM era and all the green incentives. Not Tesla it was something different perhaps they started with a K? I find a lot of V8's to be sluggish because they are to heavy. |
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Post by Parkman on Oct 31, 2018 22:33:32 GMT -5
My car has the 6 cylinder and I like it. I notice a lot of newer cars have the 4 cylinder. Like you'd expect the 4 cylinder to be in the Ford Fiesta and Focus, but you can't get a 6 cylinder in the Fusion, you'd have to get a Taurus. I don't think you can get the Malibu in a 6 cylinder anymore. Despite all of these fuel saving technologies, the gas mileage doesn't seem all that much better. My car gets up to about 32 miles per gallon highway, which is not much less than a lot of new cars, even compact ones. I was kind of trying to put off getting a new car, and see if electric cars get cheaper when I replaced it. But it looks a ways off... I wouldn't buy a used hybrid because I figure the batteries will cost a lot when they need to be replaced. I agree that engine stop/start sounds crazy. I wouldn't want it. I listen to the radio once in a while when I drive. My radio does have RDS though and that's a feature I'm not willing to give up when I trade. I won't buy any car without it. Which tends to rule out a lot of the base models, because the radios in them just show a big frequency display instead. Almost everything is going 4 cylinder because of the Obama era CAFE fuel standards. President Trump is said to be slashing them not to what they were before but not making them as restrictive which I feel will be a happy medium between all parties involved (except the environmentalists that will never be happy!) I lost it when I saw the new Chevrolet Silverado 1500 would have an available 2.7L Turbocharged 4 cylinder.. I remember a friend of mine who is a self proclaimed "environmentalist" even said it makes no sense for the Impala to even get a 4 cylinder engine and guess what? No one bought them. The Malibu hasn't been available since 2012 to have a V6. The 2013-2015 2.0L is a great engine however that started the stop/start on the malibu's then when they redesigned them only the highest trim the Premier could get that engine and the smaller 1.6L standard engine got stop/start. I agree that all the new technology just isn't worth it. My wifes parents Cruze has Stop/Start and its rated 1mpg better than our Elantra but our Elantra consistantly gets at least 3 miles better to the gallon. Whenever I drive it I usually average 32-35 MPG. Despite me hate being low down to the ground and not in my rommier truck, when it comes to filling up I love getting almost double what I average in my 2 trucks (17-19 MPG). My S10 is the first car I ever saw with that when it was my Grandpas. It is convenient! I use SiriusXM (its one of my only luxuries) and that is nice having all of the information as well. |
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Post by becausecanadia on Nov 1, 2018 0:09:39 GMT -5
My 20 year old Toyota Tercel will get 40mpg highway with little effort. From a 93hp 1.5L
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Post by fancollector12 on Nov 1, 2018 1:44:37 GMT -5
The problem with FCA and Ford is that they're shying away from car production (Ford is about to, FCA already has). The Dodge Dart and Chrysler 200 of late weren't very good cars, and the Ford Focus has a terrible transmission. I recommend Chevy or import (Honda Civic or Toyota Corolla).
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Post by Jordan U on Nov 1, 2018 8:28:25 GMT -5
THANK YOU! You understand what I've been telling all these EV advocates. The same people that praise the electric cars are the ones getting a new cell phone every year and tossing there old one in a landfill. I think there was a brand of car that attempted the solar panel before Fisker? Or something else I think they may have came out during the Obama bailout of GM era and all the green incentives. Not Tesla it was something different perhaps they started with a K?
I know I saw a picture of one somewhere but I don't remember if it was an actual thing yet or if it was just some kind of futuristic prototype.. I also don't remember what brand it had associated with it.. |
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Post by Parkman on Nov 1, 2018 10:48:12 GMT -5
The problem with FCA and Ford is that they're shying away from car production (Ford is about to, FCA already has). The Dodge Dart and Chrysler 200 of late weren't very good cars, and the Ford Focus has a terrible transmission. I recommend Chevy or import (Honda Civic or Toyota Corolla). I think ultimately Ford will change that strategy and keep something or partner up with VW to rebadge something to keep some returning customers. The Dart and 200 were complete failures and junk, the 200 at least got the Pentastar Engine option but that Transmission has been problematic the entire time. I know a lot of Cherokees are hit or miss too because of it. The Focus was awful with the Powershift transmission as well as the Fiesta to anyone looking. I think Chevy will continue most of there Cruze and Malibu production. I think anything below the Cruze (Spark and Sonic will be chopped) and the Impala may go pending what happens with the whole Cadillac diabolical. If they truly replace the XTS with something rear wheel drive I would say the Impala and LaCrosse are done. Meanwhile Cadillac will continue to fail. The Corolla will last forever however I find them to underpowered. The Civic I didn't go with because of the CVT, the corolla one I could tolerate but I know 2 people who as soon as there Civics went out of warranty the CVT's blew. |
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Post by Parkman on Nov 1, 2018 10:49:40 GMT -5
THANK YOU! You understand what I've been telling all these EV advocates. The same people that praise the electric cars are the ones getting a new cell phone every year and tossing there old one in a landfill. I think there was a brand of car that attempted the solar panel before Fisker? Or something else I think they may have came out during the Obama bailout of GM era and all the green incentives. Not Tesla it was something different perhaps they started with a K?
I know I saw a picture of one somewhere but I don't remember if it was an actual thing yet or if it was just some kind of futuristic prototype.. I also don't remember what brand it had associated with it..I love with all the talks of this stupid autonomous car talk how the auto news was picking on certain players because they weren't willing to invest and so forth. I'm thinking if one company wants to blow a ton of money on that go for it. I think a lot of auto makers realize that its gonna be a while till true automobility takes place. |
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Post by Jordan U on Nov 1, 2018 11:15:44 GMT -5
I love with all the talks of this stupid autonomous car talk how the auto news was picking on certain players because they weren't willing to invest and so forth. I'm thinking if one company wants to blow a ton of money on that go for it. I think a lot of auto makers realize that its gonna be a while till true automobility takes place. |
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Post by fancollector12 on Nov 2, 2018 2:10:43 GMT -5
That is a hole in their philosophy, they get all worked up over one concept, then completely ignore, if not go in the opposite direction on, a different concept of similar nature..
I know I saw a picture of one somewhere but I don't remember if it was an actual thing yet or if it was just some kind of futuristic prototype.. I also don't remember what brand it had associated with it.. I love with all the talks of this stupid autonomous car talk how the auto news was picking on certain players because they weren't willing to invest and so forth. I'm thinking if one company wants to blow a ton of money on that go for it. I think a lot of auto makers realize that its gonna be a while till true automobility takes place. Yeah we have a 2014 (Grand) Cherokee with the 3.6L Pentastar V6 and 8-speed automatic. We've put 50,000 miles on it in 2 years (bought it with 53k on it 2 years ago and now it has 108k). Great vehicle, we love it, great fuel economy, too. The (regular) Cherokee has the 3.2 L Pentastar V6 which is also great but also less powerful. We shall see if VW and Ford team up to make decent sedans. They'd have to be made in Chattanooga (TN) if that were the case due to Mexican tariffs for imports from the Puebla (Mexico) factory. We shall see.  |
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Post by Cole D on Nov 2, 2018 22:10:23 GMT -5
I like the look of the 200 and Dart but they didn't seem to sell well.
It's a shame Ford isn't making cars after next year. I liked the Fusion and Taurus.
Toyotas are ok, but I don't believe they are any more reliable than any other make right now. Plus, no offense, but I find the Camry and Corolla utterly boring. And Toyota seems kind of stingy with features now. I mean, I just saw a Toyota Camry SE for sale. Supposedly the sporty version, and it has NO fog lights or spoiler. I was like, seriously, I thought that was what the SE was supposed to have over an LE.
I did see an older Camry XLE recently on Youtube that was sweet. It had the audio controls PLUS climate controls on the wheel, plus back up camera and blue tooth all on a 2008 model. Even had reclining rear seats, rear vents, and rear window shade. A lot of those features you would see on an Avalon. I was totally impressed, but I bet the chances of finding an XLE Camry are slim to none. They all seem to be the again, very boring LE models.
I do like the new Impalas. I even liked the older 2006- gen ones. Which was weird because they made both body styles at the same time until a few years ago. A lot of people made fun of that gen Impala but I liked the simplistic design it had compared to others at the time.
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