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Post by Cole S. on Jul 28, 2017 2:50:32 GMT -5
For me that's meh. I understand if that's a selling point, personally the only special features I've utilized in real life are the programmable ones with SIMPLEconnect. Some people swear by the auto fan speed stuff, I'm not one of those people and just leave my fan on one speed overnight like a heathen, so I could care less. All of the other features, whether it be Inteli•Touch or fanSync, are pure gimmick IMO. Bells and whistles are always fun and I enjoy playing with them, but in the end I want a quality fixture that moves air.
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Post by Noah C on Jul 28, 2017 15:42:04 GMT -5
For me that's meh. I understand if that's a selling point, personally the only special features I've utilized in real life are the programmable ones with SIMPLEconnect. Some people swear by the auto fan speed stuff, I'm not one of those people and just leave my fan on one speed overnight like a heathen, so I could care less. All of the other features, whether it be Inteli•Touch or fanSync, are pure gimmick IMO. Bells and whistles are always fun and I enjoy playing with them, but in the end I want a quality fixture that moves air. This...exactly this. I didn't want to outright confirm the fact that I intentionally retraced the conversation back to Vince's original musings, but I couldn't have said it better. I'd pick the Avant/Carrera Grande Ecos because they are simply more powerful products that produce better performance...the 31-speed control and FanSYNC capabilities seem more like toys to me than actual features that provide function other than for play. The 6-speed control is overall more intuitive than the 31-speed control, and will get the job done while also providing a good range of speeds. But this is mostly my opinion. |
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Post by Noah C on Jul 28, 2017 16:45:14 GMT -5
That's what I was trying to say all along, it's just that people were trying to steer me in a different direction. I may go with the nickel Emerson Avant/Carrera DC with the wall control and a nice 4-light fitter with Alabaster glass, or the Distinction. I just like the smartphone control, which Emerson has yet to offer. Vince, I wasn't really providing this information for you to simply redirect you to buy another product, as I was instead basing my advice and recommendations off of your original criteria you had offered...this was lost in translation when I tried to reinforce it, which therefore provided you with no solid base for your musings other than the fact that you want the Distinction DC with the 31 speed control, which is completely fine, as Cole said. Again, this 31-speed control is quite cumbersome to use to me; just to try to find a decent speed to leave your fan at, having to press the thing many times to get there. But, if that is something you desire, that's completely fine. What I will continue to tell you, because I have done this before, is to NOT put a 60" fan in an average sized bedroom...it will look oversized and awkward, and will probably sway in its own breeze in the room...the 60" fanthing abomination currently hanging in a guest bedroom of my house sways to its own breeze on medium and high, and it's only got a 12° blade pitch and only does about 140 RPM...continuing on, your theory of an extra 2,000 CFM you will receive over your Panama by choosing the 60" blade span has been derailed multiple times. First off, the model of Panama you have (50" Span, XLP) has around a CFM in the lower 6,000s...the rated 5,226 CFM rating does not match up with the 6,228 CFM rating of the 4-speed variant of the same fan (50" Span tested) or the CFM ratings of most XLP Casablancas tested in 50"-54" spans; the former CFM rating was most likely and would be most logically achieved at the 42" span, given the specifications here. Secondly, the Disctinction DC achieves the CFM rating of 7,680 with the 72" blade span, and not the 60" blade span; both the 60" and the 54" blade spans are untested as far as CFM goes. And a higher CFM than what's provided by your Panama, if achieved by either blade span (taking into account the motor's power and the rest of the specs), would have no importance because the wind speed, and therefore the power of your fan's airflow, would still be lower; comparing CFM is effectively useless unless you have two fans of similar (within about 4" of each other) size and design that's not completely radicalized and unorthodox, and the comparison between your Panama and the Distinction in the size you desire (60") or any other size would still show your Panama as the proportionally more powerful/superior air mover, because of the higher wind speed. Given the power of the DC158 (158×22mm) motor used in the Distinction DC, both Emersons have slightly beefier, more powerful motors, most likely 165×25mm or larger, since they don't list it. And this in tandom with the higher 16° pitch, as opposed to 14° here, provides a fixture capable of more airflow. Again, not attempting to steer you to buy the Emersons, or anything else for that matter (LOL if I was going to "Steer" you in this scenario, I'd steer you to maintain your benjamins and not spend $500 or more on a new ceiling fan when you already have an effective fixture that is well made and powerful, and works well already for the space), just trying to assist you in buying the best product possible for your money in lieu of your aforementioned criteria. Also of note: when I wrote my last comment here before today, informing you of why you should not buy a 60" fan, I had accepted the fact that you simply want the Distinction and its control, along with its features. Lastly, I have to disagree with you on the fact that anything above $200 should have some fancy gizmo along with it, Vince...I largely beg to differ. If these gizmos are present, most notably full function remote/wall controls, Bluetooth, etc, especially in products lower in price, there's simply more to fail. And only in some cases is it worth to repair what's broken. For example, one of the Hampton Bay Sauterne ceiling fans that I have has been unable to reverse since it was bought, and that's due to a factory defective reverse module...when they were still made, they were about $350 fans. The only reason I decided to repair the unit I have is to not have to spend $200 or more for something decent to go back in there, and because these actually put out good airflow. So, I had to take the thing down and apart, and remove the start capacitor and reverse module...and I'm waiting on King of Fans (literally one of the few GOOD fans they made) to ship me said part...more of that type of stuff happens with the more gizmos and gadgetry annexed, some of which can't be repaired. That's why a good, solid fan, i.e. fans like the Edgewood, Supra, Concentra, (Paramount XP), Riviera II, etc still exist; high-quality, high-performing fans (most notably the Edgewood) that are basic in structure and function, and have less parts to fail prematurely than overly fanciful pieces. So no, a good, solid $100 to $300 fan is still very welcome. Also, because of the changes in premiere /top tier design of ceiling fans as of now, really good basic fans have become marginally cheaper...for example, my Supra (52") was $140, and is better in quality and performance than most anything I'd spend $200-250 for, other than the Edgewood and the Paramount XP, which is $150 because of the LUDICROUS amount of stock Hunter has that's just sitting. And the Edgewood is $240, and is better in quality and performance than most stuff you'd buy today for most any price. Both are simple fans, in design and structure. When I had to purchase a new fixture for my bedroom, it was between the Paramount XP and the Supra, the two best fans I could find according to my criteria, and for under $200. One could suggest the Paramount XP time an time again, as it is a beefier, more powerful fan than the Supra, similarly how the Avant/Carrera Grande Ecos are a bit beefier and more powerful than the Distinction DC...but, I still bought the Supra, because I simply wanted it over the Paramount XP, and I absolutely HATE Hunter's mounting system of that generation and didn't want to put up with it. And I'm happy with it; built very well, the blades are thick, nice quality plywood and wide (even though the finish isn't exactly what I'd call "showroom quality"), performs like something I'd spend twice what I paid for this thing for. If you simply want that Distinction over all else on the market, go for it. Just don't go and buy the 60"  |
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Post by Jared H. on Jul 28, 2017 21:21:44 GMT -5
since a good friend of mine (who can make himself known here if he wishes to) works at an Emerson dealer around here, I had him ask if the premium is in fact discontinued.
I can confirm that is NOT discontinued, and they're probably just waiting on the next shipment from ching-chang-chongville. I don't think the K55XL will be gong anywhere anytime soon, frankly.
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Post by Noah C on Jul 28, 2017 23:48:11 GMT -5
since a good friend of mine (who can make himself known here if he wishes to) works at an Emerson dealer around here, I had him ask if the premium is in fact discontinued. I can confirm that is NOT discontinued, and they're probably just waiting on the next shipment from ching-chang-chongville. I don't think the K55XL will be gong anywhere anytime soon, frankly. That's good to know. The Penbrooke Select is selling so well, none of them are in stock, in ANY of the finishes it comes in. I don't know about the Eco version, but the K55XL version is selling extremely well. |
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Post by Parkman on Jul 29, 2017 11:21:33 GMT -5
since a good friend of mine (who can make himself known here if he wishes to) works at an Emerson dealer around here, I had him ask if the premium is in fact discontinued. I can confirm that is NOT discontinued, and they're probably just waiting on the next shipment from ching-chang-chongville. I don't think the K55XL will be gong anywhere anytime soon, frankly. This is exactly what I thought. It didn't make sense that it wasn't on clearance on some websites and I saw a lot of Emersons out of stock on their own website. |
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Post by Noah C on Jul 29, 2017 19:19:22 GMT -5
since a good friend of mine (who can make himself known here if he wishes to) works at an Emerson dealer around here, I had him ask if the premium is in fact discontinued. I can confirm that is NOT discontinued, and they're probably just waiting on the next shipment from ching-chang-chongville. I don't think the K55XL will be gong anywhere anytime soon, frankly. This is exactly what I thought. It didn't make sense that it wasn't on clearance on some websites and I saw a lot of Emersons out of stock on their own website. As far as the Premium Select, I'm not really concerned whether it's discontinued or not; when Vince said that it was discontinued, it didn't seem right that it wasn't on clearance anywhere...and the fact that it's still in the catalog. I know for sure that both versions of the Penbrooke Select are out of stock, since they seem to be selling like hot tamales, but the Premium Select being out of stock makes little sense to me, because it is definitely not priced competitively for what it is. |
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Post by Cole S. on Jul 31, 2017 22:13:50 GMT -5
This is exactly what I thought. It didn't make sense that it wasn't on clearance on some websites and I saw a lot of Emersons out of stock on their own website. As far as the Premium Select, I'm not really concerned whether it's discontinued or not; when Vince said that it was discontinued, it didn't seem right that it wasn't on clearance anywhere...and the fact that it's still in the catalog. I know for sure that both versions of the Penbrooke Select are out of stock, since they seem to be selling like hot tamales, but the Premium Select being out of stock makes little sense to me, because it is definitely not priced competitively for what it is. Same. Literally my same thoughts with everything here. Emerson seems to have more of a supplier lag than most others, it takes forever and a day for their shipments to come in, especially on new product. I kinda figured they were just waiting on more to come in because it's pretty typical and like has been said, there's no clearance happening anywhere. |
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