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Post by Max C. on Aug 8, 2016 22:40:20 GMT -5
Some of you may recall this fan. After copious restoration work, it is finally (at long last), in presentable condition. Long story short, the thought of replacing an Air Cool-made Hampton Bay in my family room with this far superior alternative has manifested itself. However, there are certain key factors which certainly require consideration. The main one being weight. Although my parents are willing to have this installed, they simply want to ensure the fan will remain safely mounted for several years to come. No "hack" solutions will be tolerated, and rightfully so. Thankfully, my house happens to be relatively new, and was built to a high-standard of quality. Nevertheless, I am asking for all of you who have worked with Hunter Originals to provide some insight to this newbie  |
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Post by Noah C on Aug 9, 2016 5:43:53 GMT -5
Some of you may recall this fan. After copious restoration work, it is finally (at long last), in presentable condition. Long story short, the thought of replacing an Air Cool-made Hampton Bay in my family room with this far superior alternative has manifested itself. However, there are certain key factors which certainly require consideration. The main one being weight. Although my parents are willing to have this installed, they simply want to ensure the fan will remain safely mounted for several years to come. No "hack" solutions will be tolerated, and rightfully so. Thankfully, my house happens to be relatively new, and was built to a high-standard of quality. Nevertheless, I am asking for all of you who have worked with Hunter Originals to provide some insight to this newbie What Air Cool made Hampton Bay is currently being utilized in your space? The idea of replacing said Hampton Bay with a Hunter Original is brilliant. However, my question to you is this: is your electrical box mounted directly to the wooden joist, or is it on a Saf-T-Brace or something of that nature? The modern day Hunter Original mounting bracket is engineered for the consumer to drill holes through the back of the electrical box, so the bracket can be mounted to the box utilizing the included lag bolts, or to be mounted directly to a wooden joist, the most practical form of installation for any hunter original. Now, yours might be different, since this IS, after all, a Robbins & Myers original. Can I get a picture of the mounting bracket of said fan? I think it has the short mounting bracket that fits inside of an electrical box. You can use an electrical or pancake box from Westinghouse in your ceiling, of which has holes that will accommodate an older original's mounting bracket like yours, i'm guessing. If the electrical box is on a wooden joist, simply drill holes through the already existing spaces in the electrical box to the wood, of the same or similar diameter as those of the mounting bracket, and if your electrical box does not contain such holes, you will have to drill them along with the joist itself for said installation of this hunter original. Then, use heavy screws or lag bolts to attach the mounting bracket to the back of the electrical box, then hang the fan after ensuring the pin comes out either side of the bushing. But even still, I think a fan with a ball-socket mount would make the most sense for your family room if the accommodations are lackluster/nonexistent for such a fan. |
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Post by Max C. on Aug 9, 2016 12:10:23 GMT -5
What Air Cool made Hampton Bay is currently being utilized in your space? The idea of replacing said Hampton Bay with a Hunter Original is brilliant. However, my question to you is this: is your electrical box mounted directly to the wooden joist, or is it on a Saf-T-Brace or something of that nature? The modern day Hunter Original mounting bracket is engineered for the consumer to drill holes through the back of the electrical box, so the bracket can be mounted to the box utilizing the included lag bolts, or to be mounted directly to a wooden joist, the most practical form of installation for any hunter original. Now, yours might be different, since this IS, after all, a Robbins & Myers original. Can I get a picture of the mounting bracket of said fan? I think it has the short mounting bracket that fits inside of an electrical box. You can use an electrical or pancake box from Westinghouse in your ceiling, of which has holes that will accommodate an older original's mounting bracket like yours, i'm guessing. If the electrical box is on a wooden joist, simply drill holes through the already existing spaces in the electrical box to the wood, of the same or similar diameter as those of the mounting bracket, and if your electrical box does not contain such holes, you will have to drill them along with the joist itself for said installation of this hunter original. Then, use heavy screws or lag bolts to attach the mounting bracket to the back of the electrical box, then hang the fan after ensuring the pin comes out either side of the bushing. But even still, I think a fan with a ball-socket mount would make the most sense for your family room if the accommodations are lackluster/nonexistent for such a fan. Thank you for your replay Noah! The current fan is a Hampton Bay Marquesas, which is actually decent quality-wise, albeit slightly under-powered for the space. I plan to install the Hunter Original on a J-hook, since the fan is non-electrically reversible. The old fan was mounted to a pancake box, which was secured directly to a stud above. Said stud is quite solid. |
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Post by Noah C on Aug 9, 2016 12:38:34 GMT -5
What Air Cool made Hampton Bay is currently being utilized in your space? The idea of replacing said Hampton Bay with a Hunter Original is brilliant. However, my question to you is this: is your electrical box mounted directly to the wooden joist, or is it on a Saf-T-Brace or something of that nature? The modern day Hunter Original mounting bracket is engineered for the consumer to drill holes through the back of the electrical box, so the bracket can be mounted to the box utilizing the included lag bolts, or to be mounted directly to a wooden joist, the most practical form of installation for any hunter original. Now, yours might be different, since this IS, after all, a Robbins & Myers original. Can I get a picture of the mounting bracket of said fan? I think it has the short mounting bracket that fits inside of an electrical box. You can use an electrical or pancake box from Westinghouse in your ceiling, of which has holes that will accommodate an older original's mounting bracket like yours, i'm guessing. If the electrical box is on a wooden joist, simply drill holes through the already existing spaces in the electrical box to the wood, of the same or similar diameter as those of the mounting bracket, and if your electrical box does not contain such holes, you will have to drill them along with the joist itself for said installation of this hunter original. Then, use heavy screws or lag bolts to attach the mounting bracket to the back of the electrical box, then hang the fan after ensuring the pin comes out either side of the bushing. But even still, I think a fan with a ball-socket mount would make the most sense for your family room if the accommodations are lackluster/nonexistent for such a fan. Thank you for your replay Noah! The current fan is a Hampton Bay Marquesas, which is actually decent quality-wise, albeit slightly under-powered for the space. I plan to install the Hunter Original on a J-hook, since the fan is non-electrically reversible. The old fan was mounted to a pancake box, which was secured directly to a stud above. Said stud is quite solid. Oh, the Hampton Bay Marquesas! That is one of the hugest childhood fans of mine, as my next-door neighbors, of who my family were close friends with, had two of those: one in the family room, and one in the master bedroom. They moved away, but that house still contains these fans. A J-Hook should be fine since the fan at hand will not be reversed. You can drill the J-Hook into the stud, and proceed from there, after the middle hole in the pancake box is punched out. Or, if the J-Hook has a cross brace that can be screwed into the fan mounting bracket threaded holes, then you don't have to do much of anything. Is said J-Hook strong enough to support a 45-50 pound fan? |
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Post by Max C. on Aug 9, 2016 13:37:14 GMT -5
Oh, the Hampton Bay Marquesas! That is one of the hugest childhood fans of mine, as my next-door neighbors, of who my family were close friends with, had two of those: one in the family room, and one in the master bedroom. They moved away, but that house still contains these fans. A J-Hook should be fine since the fan at hand will not be reversed. You can drill the J-Hook into the stud, and proceed from there, after the middle hole in the pancake box is punched out. Or, if the J-Hook has a cross brace that can be screwed into the fan mounting bracket threaded holes, then you don't have to do much of anything. Is said J-Hook strong enough to support a 45-50 pound fan? To give credit where its due, Hampton Bay Marquesas' are reasonable fans, however they are no match for a Hunter Original  The J-hook I have originated from a rather beefy vintage Banvil spinner. It is in excellent condition, with no rust and/or cracks in the metal. Therefore, I am fully confident that it will support a Hunter Original without issue. |
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Post by Noah C on Aug 9, 2016 13:41:13 GMT -5
Oh, the Hampton Bay Marquesas! That is one of the hugest childhood fans of mine, as my next-door neighbors, of who my family were close friends with, had two of those: one in the family room, and one in the master bedroom. They moved away, but that house still contains these fans. A J-Hook should be fine since the fan at hand will not be reversed. You can drill the J-Hook into the stud, and proceed from there, after the middle hole in the pancake box is punched out. Or, if the J-Hook has a cross brace that can be screwed into the fan mounting bracket threaded holes, then you don't have to do much of anything. Is said J-Hook strong enough to support a 45-50 pound fan? To give credit where its due, Hampton Bay Marquesas' are reasonable fans, however they are no match for a Hunter Original The J-hook I have originated from a rather beefy vintage Banvil spinner. It is in excellent condition, with no rust and/or cracks in the metal. Therefore, I am fully confident that it will support a Hunter Original without issue. Do you have a picture of the bracket, and if not, could you send one forth? That'd be FAN-tabulous (pun intended) |
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Post by Parkman on Aug 9, 2016 16:56:03 GMT -5
Max what color Marquesas? The creamy white or the Black (Iron) finish?
You may have said it before but is anything wrong with the Marquesas? I have one and I love it. Been in our house since 2003 not a problem yet.
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Post by Max C. on Aug 9, 2016 19:54:15 GMT -5
Max what color Marquesas? The creamy white or the Black (Iron) finish? You may have said it before but is anything wrong with the Marquesas? I have one and I love it. Been in our house since 2003 not a problem yet. Iron finish. There is nothing wrong with the fan (in fact, I will likely end up keeping it). However, it is somewhat underpowered for the space. Plus, there is no competition with an American-made Hunter Original  |
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Post by Parkman on Aug 9, 2016 21:05:15 GMT -5
Gotcha.
They are awesome fans. They are somewhat rare too, I've only seen one on Craigslist.
I know they have a 172 x something motor. Did yours come with the matching table lamp?
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Post by Max C. on Aug 9, 2016 22:02:14 GMT -5
Gotcha. They are awesome fans. They are somewhat rare too, I've only seen one on Craigslist. I know they have a 172 x something motor. Did yours come with the matching table lamp? Agreed (albeit not for the family room). It might end up replacing a noisy, severely underpowered Mont Carlo hugger in the master bedroom, come to think of it. To my knowledge, only the fan was present.
In all honesty, (as opposed to lying, of course  ) is there nobody else here on VCF who has anything to share in regards to the issue of mounting a Hunter Original directly to a wood stud? Multiple opinions are highly valued by my parents and myself... |
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Post by Noah C on Aug 10, 2016 3:30:56 GMT -5
Gotcha. They are awesome fans. They are somewhat rare too, I've only seen one on Craigslist. I know they have a 172 x something motor. Did yours come with the matching table lamp? Agreed (albeit not for the family room). It might end up replacing a noisy, severely underpowered Mont Carlo hugger in the master bedroom, come to think of it. To my knowledge, only the fan was present.
In all honesty, (as opposed to lying, of course ) is there nobody else here on VCF who has anything to share in regards to the issue of mounting a Hunter Original directly to a wood stud? Multiple opinions are highly valued by my parents and myself... If you mean directly to a wood stud with no electrical box, and wiring run through to the area of installation, then drill the J-Hook mount into the wooden joist/stud, unless the holes used for the ball/socket mounting bracket are of the same spacing apart as those for the J-Hook mount. If you really want a better explanation of how to properly and safely install your Original, then you will have to provide us with some pictures of the mounting bracket and, if accessible, your current mounting situation, Max. |
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Post by Max C. on Aug 10, 2016 13:44:32 GMT -5
Here are the pictures... J-hook:  A recreation, if you will, of how the fan would be mounted:  |
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Post by Noah C on Aug 11, 2016 3:42:44 GMT -5
Here are the pictures... J-hook: A recreation, if you will, of how the fan would be mounted: OK, so now that I have a representation of the intended setup of the ceiling fan, I can tell you that you will have to drill a hole in the middle of the junction box, after the middle knockout is out, and make sure that the bit you use is for the same size thread/screw as will be entering the hole. After this is complete, screw the J-Hook into the hole as far as it will go. Mount the fan on the J-Hook using the double claw, and wire the fan. After this, put the canopy halves together and screw it together, then proceed with blade installation as well as the oil that will be used for bearing lubrication. |
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Post by Jordan U on Aug 30, 2016 14:19:05 GMT -5
I've had my Original screwed directly to the ceiling stud for 2 years without a problem.. Since its not reversible I don't think you have anything to worry about..
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Post by Max C. on Sept 1, 2016 3:32:10 GMT -5
I've had my Original screwed directly to the ceiling stud for 2 years without a problem.. Since its not reversible I don't think you have anything to worry about..
That is my thinking exactly! Unfortunately, this fan will no longer be taking the place of my Hampton Bay Marquesas. However, my parents will allow it to be installed in the garage... |
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The J-hook I have originated from a rather beefy vintage Banvil spinner. It is in excellent condition, with no rust and/or cracks in the metal. Therefore, I am fully confident that it will support a Hunter Original without issue.
