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Post by organist89 on Mar 25, 2004 0:25:28 GMT -5
What I'd really like to do here is to make a list of the terms that we use, so we can standardize. Please, post your inventions. -FASCO mount (also called a "dropped flywheel")--the blade bracket mounting system in which the flywheel sits between the motor housing and the switch housing. Examples are the FASCO Charleston, the NuTone Verandah, and the blender fan. -Blender fan--a fan made by Emerson and marked as the "Casablanca" series, through Sears in the late 1970's and early 1980's. It came in 3 or 4 blades, brown or white, with or without switch housing, and in 2 sizes (seen here: www.geocities.com/ada19851985/emersonblenderceilingfan.html)-Finial--the little thing on the outside of the switch housing that screws onto the pull chain switch unit; it is the part that the chain physically exits through -GE vents--the motor vents used on the old version of the Hampton Bay "Landmark"...it was a VERY popular style of vent for many years -Shoeprint vents--the other type of common vents...seen on the Litex "Clost-up" -Panama vents (also called Encon vents)--the long, thin vents seen on the Casablanca "Panama"...with the perpendicular row of vents inside -Builder fan vents--the long, very thin vents seen on many Builder fans (like those Design House made) That's what I have so far! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2004 1:02:05 GMT -5
The "GE vents" were first sued on GE's plain design of ceiling fan . . . made popular again by the Casablanca Zephyr. After that, many import fans copied those same vents, like the Landmark Pierce speaks of.
The Nutone Verandah did not have a "Fasco Mount". The Nutone Sea Island did.
The Blender Fan was called as such because the motor, a K63 with no housing and a "fasco mount" flywheel on the bottom, looks somewhat like a blender with blades stuck on.
Shoeprint vents are best known on Concord fans.
I'm sure there are many other terms I/we use that are standard or have become standard . . . bell canopy for one. I'll try and add more as I remember.
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Post by JW on Mar 27, 2004 17:28:26 GMT -5
Pretzel brackets... brackets like those used on original GE fans and most pre-2001? Casablanca Victorians
Delta brackets... have the "moon" shape. There are many, MANY variations, sizes and lengths: Zephyr (the bracket itself more or less "tapers" into the arm), 1 bar in the middle, 2 bars curved outward (Codep), 2 bars curved inward (1988+ Hunter Originals), and the elusive Diehl repro with the big triangle coming out of the middle point.
Panasonic brackets... similar to a 1-bar Delta bracket, but the middle point faces inward toward the arm.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2004 19:10:53 GMT -5
Pretzel brackets... brackets like those used on original GE fans and most pre-2001? Casablanca Victorians Yep, that's what I call 'em Delta brackets... have the "moon" shape. There are many, MANY variations, sizes and lengths: Zephyr (the bracket itself more or less "tapers" into the arm), 1 bar in the middle, 2 bars curved outward (Codep), 2 bars curved inward (1988+ Hunter Originals), I usually call those "smily face" brackets, lol. And some have teeth  But whether you call them half-moons, smily-face, or Delta/Zephyr brackets, the significane is how many bars. and the elusive Diehl repro with the big triangle coming out of the middle point. OOoooooo! Do you know what fan had those? THE TARA!!!!!!!! (according to Adrian) Panasonic brackets... similar to a 1-bar Delta bracket, but the middle point faces inward toward the arm. I always thought those were more like Pretzel brackets missing some bits .. . but only Panasonics had them or so it would seem. |
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Post by Andrew G on Mar 27, 2004 23:29:37 GMT -5
Actually, the pretzel brackets on the casablanca victorian fans were discontinued in 2000  Tulip Brackets: The brackets on the passport III fans and on a few other hunter fans. Spinner Fans: Fans with no housing and when the blades are mounted on top of the motor and the whole fan spins. Bell Canopy: A fan with the J-hook mounting system that has a canopy that looks similar to a bell. Beehive Canopy: The canopy on older SMC laguna fans that looks a little like a beehive. The old encon fans had a different variation of a beehive canopy. Sears TOC: Abbriviation for the sears "Turn of the Century" fan that was actually made by Lasko. Fanslaughter: The sinister act of ruining, trashing, or destroying a perfectly good ceiling fan (hampton bay is an exception ;D ;D ;D ) Variable Speed Control: a knob on the switch housing that lets you control the fan at any speed, most brands did away with it around 1985, homestead cancelled it out in 1989. Lower Canopy: the capacitor cover for most 1980's spinner fans and almost every current industrial fan. Hugger Fans: Fans that mount flush to or "hug" the ceiling. That's all I have right now. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2004 23:45:47 GMT -5
Spinner Fans: Fans with no housing and when the blades are mounted on top of the motor and the whole fan spins. It is important to note the difference between a spinner fan and a spinner motor fan. A spinner fan has the blades mounted to the top. Spinner fans usually have no motor housing, the motor itself is what is seen. Sometimes a fan may also have a stationary housing cover with the blades mounted to the top . . . I usually call these spinner fans as well although that's using the term loosely. A spinner motor (fan) is when the motor has the rotor on the outside of the windings, and the entire motor assembly spins with the rotor, and the blades are screwed directly to the motor assembly. Other types of motors (besides spinner motors) are K55-style and oil-bath. |
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Post by organist89 on Mar 27, 2004 23:50:35 GMT -5
Actually, the pretzel brackets on the casablanca victorian fans were discontinued in 2000 I wonder why...they look better with Victorian styling. Spinner Fans: Fans with no housing and when the blades are mounted on top of the motor and the whole fan spins. The blades don't HAVE to be mounted on the top. Bell Canopy: A fan with the J-hook mounting system that has a canopy that looks similar to a bell. A bell canopy is a bell canopy, regardless of whether or not there is a j-hook under it. If I put one on a B&S fan, it'd still be a bell canopy. Sears TOC: Abbriviation for the sears "Turn of the Century" fan that was actually made by Lasko. Emerson also made the TOC for Sears. They were nearly identical to the Lasko ones. Fanslaughter: The sinister act of ruining, trashing, or destroying a perfectly good ceiling fan (hampton bay is an exception ;D ;D ;D ) I, Pierce Phillips, invented this term--may I remind you. Hugger Fans: Fans that mount flush to or "hug" the ceiling. Uhhh...we already know that. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2004 23:55:03 GMT -5
The blades don't HAVE to be mounted on the top. See my post above. Unless you're referring to those really weird spinner fans, that have the same motor as, say, a Toastmaster spinner yet the blades actually screw to the bottom of it. Ugly, if you ask me. I've only see two that I can recall. And I'm with you on the bell canopy. It doesnt even have to be really shaped like a bell, bell canopy is the general term for ANY canopy that screws to the downrod. Most of them jsut happened to me somewhat bell-ish |
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Post by andrew G on Mar 27, 2004 23:56:10 GMT -5
Most of these facts are USUAL facts. There are some exceptions though. And some of these simple facts are for the guests (not all guests) who have absolutely no idea what the members of this site are talkimng about but want to know.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2004 23:59:18 GMT -5
Most of these facts are USUAL facts. There are some exceptions though. And some of these simple facts are for the guests (not all guests) who have absolutely no idea what the members of this site are talkimng about but want to know. What about the members that are running their mouths but sound as though they have no idea what they're talking about? |
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Post by JW on Mar 28, 2004 0:12:38 GMT -5
Man-Fan: Any fan with antlers, logs, sticks, ducks, or any other "hunting" motif that would most likely go in a bachelor pad. The Monte Carlo Great Lodge and Harbor Breeze Seneca are examples.
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Post by organist89 on Mar 28, 2004 0:23:53 GMT -5
Most of these facts are USUAL facts. There are some exceptions though. And some of these simple facts are for the guests (not all guests) who have absolutely no idea what the members of this site are talkimng about but want to know. Hey Andrew...don't take this the wrong way, but I think your ego might have gotten the better of you for a moment. I felt that the tone of your post was very condescending and insulting, talking about "simple facts" for the "guests". But that's just my take. However, I think the bigger issue is this: many of the things you posted (as I already poined out) are not completely accurate, and yet you state them to be clear fact. As Dan says to me, "PLEASE don't post like you're an expert about a topic upon which you know very little. It corrupts the knowledge base.". Again, I REALLY don't want to start a fight. As I say "arguing over the Internet is like running in the Special Olympics...even if you win, you're sill retarded". So please, just take this as some friendly advice. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2004 0:58:00 GMT -5
Man-Fan: Any fan with antlers, logs, sticks, ducks, or any other "hunting" motif that would most likely go in a bachelor pad. The Monte Carlo Great Lodge and Harbor Breeze Seneca are examples. lol |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2004 1:22:17 GMT -5
As Dan says to me, "PLEASE don't post like you're an expert about a topic upon which you know very little. It corrupts the knowledge base." This seems to be some sort of chronic illness that affects young fan collectors. I yell at Pierce for it all the time, and there are a few other occasional offenders. (no names mentioned, I dont want anyone mad at me, except maybe Pierce) I understand that there's a lot we cant ever find out for sure about these things, so we have to make a lot of assumptions, and admit them in to evidence as though they are indeed fact. But please, if you dont know something for sure, dont pretend you do. Say "I'm not sure" or ask. There's no need to prove yourself here or how much you know. After all, what's the point, when I clearly know more anyway |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2004 1:24:49 GMT -5
And PS, I even do it myself sometimes. I assume a lot of things, and occasionally they turn out to be wrong, when someone that knows more on that topic than me (say, Perrey) corrects me. Nothing wrong with that, as long as you realize when you're wrong and correct yourself A note to anyone perhaps searching the archives of the forum: the majority of the information posted here (by Pierce and Andrew) is incorrect. Refer to newer posts. |
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But whether you call them half-moons, smily-face, or Delta/Zephyr brackets, the significane is how many bars.