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Post by organist89 on Jun 27, 2007 11:41:25 GMT -5
I have a large brown kitchenfan, got it new on eBay:  If you're not familiar with why I call it a "kitchenfan": (a) the first ones I ever saw were in people's kitchens (they were the 40" size, hence I call this a "large kitchenfan") Adam's small kitchenfan...  (b) take a look inside the motor housing:  What?! Could it be?! Is it...?! Yes! There is a blenderfan, painted and all, inside there! And where are blenders found inside of? Kitchens! Hence I call it a kitchenfan. Anyone else have a better or more well-known (not that mine is) name for it? Didn't think so. Moving on... First, here are some awesome pics of my large kitchenfan: Check out that huge capacitor!:  Full-size stack motor! (note the pitch on them blades):  This is the only model fan, besides the 1895 Series, that has the one-piece full-length pull chain (to my knowledge):  (btw, did anyone other than Arkless ever make them?) Relabeled as Sears:  Reverse switch:  Owner's manual:  Box (note the other models, including the UGLY three-blender with the UGLY Texas-hair-sized light kit----as a matter of fact, all those fans look ugly in the drawings, and all the light kits suck)(note Sears' very imaginative name for this model: 52" Ceiling Fan):  So anyhow, kitchenfans came in two sizes (40" and 52"), and 2 colors (white and brown). The white ones were NOTORIOUS for having the switch housings yellow in the sun (and actually, the brown ones yellow too--to poop green):  (again, one of Adam's) Anyhow, most kitchenfans came with plastic blades:  (again, thank you Adam) Mine is the only one I've ever seen with wood (solid wood, no less) blades. And what I'm curious about is whether the white model was ever made with wood blades? Anyone know? I'm also curious as to why they cheaped out so much in parts of the kitchenfans. They were willing to spend $$$ for NICE American-made K55 motors, top-of-the-line custom Arkless (or Leviton, depending) pull chains, nice quiet capacitors, solid wood blades, etc...but they weren't willing to spring for the foam stuff that goes over the inside of the bottom plate so that you don't have to look at all the wires through the vent holes? And why is the motor housing plastic instead of metal--come on people, that costs NOTHING compared to the motor and blades! And for Pete's sake, who in hell makes a switch housing out of plastic? It was so cheap that it was unsafe to hang a light kit from, so they had to custom make metal mounting inserts in the end anyhow:  Anyhow, yeah, someone tell me if you see a white one with wood blades. |
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Post by forkfan on Jun 27, 2007 12:10:14 GMT -5
i saw a 52" white kitchenfan at the master bedroom of the vacant house(where the estate sale was way back in the end of march of this year,of course it wasn't for sale,otherise i would grab it and sell it to you,it had a flowered schoolhouse light on it
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Post by organist89 on Jun 27, 2007 12:27:08 GMT -5
i saw a 52" white kitchenfan at the master bedroom of the vacant house ... otherise i would grab it and sell it to you When did I say I'm looking to buy one? My question is simply whether anyone has seen a white kitchenfan with wood blades. Did the white kitchenfan you saw, Jeremy, have wood blades or plastic blades? |
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Post by John "Rockin" Reed on Jun 27, 2007 12:34:41 GMT -5
Sweet fan, Pierce...how much was it?
You know, I was in one of my grandparents' neighbor's house, and saw a brown version of that fan with a one of those retro wicker shade light kits hanging above a staircase. It was 10 years ago when I saw it, and I was in awe when I saw it...it was also 10 years prior to that when I saw one on display at Sears. Again, great find!
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Post by forkfan on Jun 27, 2007 12:38:21 GMT -5
i saw a 52" white kitchenfan at the master bedroom of the vacant house ... otherise i would grab it and sell it to you When did I say I'm looking to buy one? My question is simply whether anyone has seen a white kitchenfan with wood blades. Did the white kitchenfan you saw, Jeremy, have wood blades or plastic blades? well pretend you said it!!! the bedroom not kitchen fan!!!! had plastic blades |
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Post by organist89 on Jun 27, 2007 13:23:28 GMT -5
Sweet fan, Pierce...how much was it? I don't remember. Close to $200, I think. But I had to have it--this is, hands down, the most beautiful fan I own and ever have owned and probably ever will own. And yes, I'd prefer it in white. But only if NIB. You know, I was in one of my grandparents' neighbor's house, and saw a brown version of that fan with a one of those retro wicker shade light kits hanging above a staircase. It was 10 years ago when I saw it, and I was in awe when I saw it...it was also 10 years prior to that when I saw one on display at Sears. Yeah, fans like this make me weak in the knees as a little kid. Thanks! |
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Post by JW on Jun 27, 2007 13:55:47 GMT -5
Pierce dont no nuthin bout no emrsun... although in all fairness, he did raise some very interesting questions. Let me go through each of his observations with my best Dan-style critiques: What?! Could it be?! Is it...?! Yes! There is a blenderfan, painted and all, inside there! And where are blenders found inside of? Kitchens! Most if not all K55's (at least that I've seen) in Emersons from that era were painted brown, even in the white models. 2052s, 2036s, TOC's, "Kitchenfans", etc. all had them. In fact the only K55s from that era that I've seen that weren't painted brown were in Casablancas (the brand), etc. Hence I call it a kitchenfan. Anyone else have a better or more well-known (not that mine is) name for it? Didn't think so. Fair enough. Although I had one in the living room and my first bedroom in my old house, I can't think of a better nickname lol. Check out that huge capacitor! Also on 2052s and TOC's... level 10 oil filled. The 2036s had level 5 oil filled (and they were about half the size). But I agree that they are cool. The only 2042 I've ever come across used a 2036 motor, so not sure if they were ever produced differently. Full-size stack motor! (note the pitch on them blades) This is a toughy... 52" Emersons had varying sizes of K55, but the taller one in my TOC is actually marked as producing LESS output than the shorter ones in my 2052s. The space in the tall one also seems to be empty... the stators and rotors on both seem to be the same size. The 2036s have even shorter ones, but the motor is obvously smaller throughout. Refer again to my note above for the 2042. This is the only model fan, besides the 1895 Series, that has the one-piece full-length pull chain (to my knowledge): Nope, several of my 2052s have (or had) them, my TOC has one, and I believe I've also seen the ornate Casablanca Classics with them. (btw, did anyone other than Arkless ever make them?) No clue. However, all of them I've seen, whether 2, 3, or 4 speeds, all have that square casing around the switch itself. Yours is the only reversible "Kitchenfan" I've ever seen. Quite cool. Virtually identical to the Emerson one I have on my brown 2052, except the motor housing was redrawn. Same light kit and everything... just not relabeled Sears. Box (note the other models, including the UGLY three-blender with the UGLY Texas-hair-sized light kit----as a matter of fact, all those fans look ugly in the drawings, and all the light kits suck)(note Sears' very imaginative name for this model: 52" Ceiling Fan): The drawing for the all-brass TOC makes me wonder if that model ever came with an ornate faceplate of some sort. Note how the flywheel, switch housing, etc. look different on that particular drawing. The arrangement kind of reminds me of an ornate Westy or a Casa 20th Century Limited. So anyhow, kitchenfans came in two sizes (40" and 52"), and 2 colors (white and brown). The white ones were NOTORIOUS for having the switch housings yellow in the sun (and actually, the brown ones yellow too--to poop green): Correct, as did most plastic Emersons (2052, 2148, 2042, 2036, etc.) For some odd reason the last three white ones I've gotten didn't have yellowed switch housings, but the one on the white 40" "Kitchenfan" we had yellowed in a hurry (and it was indoors). Maybe since my recent ones were all made in 1983 they had reformulated the plastic by then? Anyhow, most kitchenfans came with plastic blades: Mine is the only one I've ever seen with wood (solid wood, no less) blades. And what I'm curious about is whether the white model was ever made with wood blades? Correct. Yours is one of maybe two or three I've seen with wood blades (and the others were on Ebay - never seen one with wood blades in real life). Maybe it had something to do with the design of the plastic blades not being reverse-friendly (the tops were convex)? Or maybe it was just a nicer model. As far as white ones with wood blades, I've never seen one, but I'm sure they were made. I have seen an "antique brass" one that had TOC blades. I'm also curious as to why they cheaped out so much in parts of the kitchenfans. They were willing to spend $$$ for NICE American-made K55 motors, top-of-the-line custom Arkless (or Leviton, depending) pull chains, nice quiet capacitors, solid wood blades, etc...but they weren't willing to spring for the foam stuff that goes over the inside of the bottom plate so that you don't have to look at all the wires through the vent holes? And why is the motor housing plastic instead of metal--come on people, that costs NOTHING compared to the motor and blades! And for Pete's sake, who in hell makes a switch housing out of plastic? It was so cheap that it was unsafe to hang a light kit from, so they had to custom make metal mounting inserts in the end anyhow: Very good questions. You could ask the same thing about the 2052s as they were mostly plastic as well. I've only seen some of them with the foam screen... and they adhesive pads they used to hold it in place NEVER lasts. I had a devil of a time trying to put one back into an 1895 motor while I was reassembling it. Anyhow, yeah, someone tell me if you see a white one with wood blades. If I do, it's MINE... hee hee hee  |
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Post by organist89 on Jun 27, 2007 14:26:56 GMT -5
Let me go through each of his observations with my best Dan-style critiques Dan would never take this much time, and leave so many comments. Most if not all K55's (at least that I've seen) in Emersons from that era were painted brown I know that. And I didn't say otherwise. What I did say, however, was that this fan essentially has a blenderfan inside it, and since blenders are found in kitchens, it's fair to call this a kitchenfan. It's a play on words. Laugh. Now. Or I'll rip your leg off and beat you to death with it. Nope, several of my 2052s have (or had) them, my TOC has one, and I believe I've also seen the ornate Casablanca Classics with them. Okay, I'll rephrase: all Emersons in that production series. No clue. However, all of them I've seen, whether 2, 3, or 4 speeds, all have that square casing around the switch itself. I've seen them without. The drawing for the all-brass TOC makes me wonder if that model ever came with an ornate faceplate of some sort. For someone who says that I know nothing about Emersons, you seem clueless. And FYI, Emerson is the only brand on which I claim to be an expert. I've had more experience talking with, and getting info from, the retired Emerson engineers who actually designed all these fans, than all the rest of you put together. By a long shot. There were lots of ornate-version TOCs made. There were ones with ornate sidebands, ones with ornate blade badges, ones with ornate switch capes, and ones with ornate bottom plates. There were 3-speed ones, 4-speed ones, variable-speed ones, and remote-control ones. There were 4-blade ones, and there were 5-blade ones. And there were Emerson-made ones, and there were Lasko-made ones. I've only seen some of them with the foam screen... and they adhesive pads they used to hold it in place NEVER lasts. Tell me about it! They just disintegrate. This 2025 gave me more trouble...:  You can see what I mean here about the brown switch housings yellowing too (brown + yellow = poop green)  |
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Post by forkfan on Jun 27, 2007 14:39:21 GMT -5
the bedroom not kitchen fan!!!! had plastic blades Jeremy, I'm getting sick of having to post everything twice for you. Read my post--I took the time to explain, in detail, why I call these "kitchenfans"...trust me, it's not related to where you put your fans in your houses. ok,whatever |
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Post by John "Rockin" Reed on Jun 28, 2007 21:32:53 GMT -5
I like the 2025 pictured above...There is one exactly like it hanging in my local True Value (I've posted this in other threads), but it has Lasko instead of square-tipped blades like the one shown in the pic above...Anyone seen that model with Lasko blades?
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Post by organist89 on Jun 28, 2007 22:26:22 GMT -5
I like the 2025 pictured above...There is one exactly like it hanging in my local True Value (I've posted this in other threads), but it has Lasko instead of square-tipped blades like the one shown in the pic above...Anyone seen that model with Lasko blades? You know, I think I have. A lot of the True Values I've been into have 80's-era Emerson fans hanging in the store--as if someone at headquarters said "*BEEP* All stores remove several fans from the for-sale shelves immediately and proceed to hang them in the store. Someone here built a time machine out of an Erector Set and went to the future and saw that nothing will ever be made this well again, so we've got to get 'em while we can. I repeat, take fans off the shelves and use them in the store. *BEEP*". The first True Value I ever went to was in Florida, NY (small town in Orange County). They had/have several antique white (I think) Emerson/Lasko type fans, similar to the 2025 if not that same model, hanging in the store. |
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Post by Ben C. on Jun 29, 2007 6:47:13 GMT -5
Whoa! I just read the title... White kitchenfan??!? All I see is brown.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2007 1:16:16 GMT -5
What?! Could it be?! Is it...?! Yes! There is a blenderfan, painted and all, inside there! And where are blenders found inside of? Kitchens! All Fasco-mount Emersons are similar to that inside. Check out that huge capacitor! Including that. Full-size stack motor! (note the pitch on them blades): JW would point on the blade pitch is sometimes stamped on the blade brackets. This is the only model fan, besides the 1895 Series, that has the one-piece full-length pull chain (to my knowledge)(btw, did anyone other than Arkless ever make them?) Actually, all Emersons had them, including blenderfans. So did many Laskos, and some 70s Hunters. If you see one with a shorter chain, it's been cut. Box (note the other models, including the UGLY three-blender with the UGLY Texas-hair-sized light kit----as a matter of fact, all those fans look ugly in the drawings, and all the light kits suck)(note Sears' very imaginative name for this model: 52" Ceiling Fan): Same drawings were used in some Sears catalogs. I'm also curious as to why they cheaped out so much in parts of the kitchenfans. They were willing to spend $$$ for NICE American-made K55 motors, top-of-the-line custom Arkless (or Leviton, depending) pull chains, nice quiet capacitors, solid wood blades, etc...but they weren't willing to spring for the foam stuff that goes over the inside of the bottom plate so that you don't have to look at all the wires through the vent holes? And why is the motor housing plastic instead of metal--come on people, that costs NOTHING compared to the motor and blades! And for Pete's sake, who in hell makes a switch housing out of plastic? It was so cheap that it was unsafe to hang a light kit from, so they had to custom make metal mounting inserts in the end anyhow What they essentially did was slap a housing on a blenderfan to make it decorative . . . the first models were LITERALLY this way, if you removed the housing you had a literal K63 blenderfan, lower canopy and all. They realized those werent going to cut it decoratively against Casablanca, so they started with the fake-woodgrain blades (instead of the fiberglass blades) and, etc. Somewhere in there they also attempted the friction drive, 1979 I believe (same year as Nutone). As Casablancas sold more and more, Emerson got more and more current with their designs, but still far behind. That's why the last Emersons prior to switching to the 1895 series (in 1984?) had wood blades, many had brass , nickle, copper housings, etc. BTW I am looking for any Emersons with a K63 motor. This includes the K63 "kitchenfans". Pierce you have a K63 Casablanca Classic that belongs to me, also a white K55 kitchenfan. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2007 1:20:22 GMT -5
The drawing for the all-brass TOC makes me wonder if that model ever came with an ornate faceplate of some sort. Note how the flywheel, switch housing, etc. look different on that particular drawing. The arrangement kind of reminds me of an ornate Westy or a Casa 20th Century Limited. I get your point, but I think you're reading too much into a drawing. I suspect the brass fan is an all brass fasco-mount TOC. Correct. Yours is one of maybe two or three I've seen with wood blades (and the others were on Ebay - never seen one with wood blades in real life). Maybe it had something to do with the design of the plastic blades not being reverse-friendly (the tops were convex)? Or maybe it was just a nicer model. As far as white ones with wood blades, I've never seen one, but I'm sure they were made. I have seen an "antique brass" one that had TOC blades. I have seen plastic blade reversble Emersons. Not many. The majorty of reversible ones have wood blades. Very good questions. You could ask the same thing about the 2052s as they were mostly plastic as well. I've only seen some of them with the foam screen... and they adhesive pads they used to hold it in place NEVER lasts. I had a devil of a time trying to put one back into an 1895 motor while I was reassembling it. I think the plastic Emersons are very quality made fans, except for the blades. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2007 1:22:52 GMT -5
You know, I think I have. A lot of the True Values I've been into have 80's-era Emerson fans hanging in the store--as if someone at headquarters said "*BEEP* All stores remove several fans from the for-sale shelves immediately and proceed to hang them in the store. Someone here built a time machine out of an Erector Set and went to the future and saw that nothing will ever be made this well again, so we've got to get 'em while we can. I repeat, take fans off the shelves and use them in the store. *BEEP*". The first True Value I ever went to was in Florida, NY (small town in Orange County). They had/have several antique white (I think) Emerson/Lasko type fans, similar to the 2025 if not that same model, hanging in the store. Every True Value and Ace Hardware I have been in that was around in the 80s has Emersons or Hunters installed, both are brands they sold. I spoke to a guy that actually did take a 2052 off the shelf and install it. I dont think there was a company directive, I think it was more like, "Ok, we sell fans now, lets put some of these up it's hot in here!" |
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