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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2004 19:10:07 GMT -5
Additionally, and concurring with what Perrey said, the only reasons various companies stopped using K55 motors in their fans is because they could have their own imported motors made cheaper.
GE also made K55-equivalent motors which were used in Homesteads, among other fans. These were good motors. Fasco made their own K55-equivalent motor, which was, to my knowledge, exclusively used in their own fans. There were also several import knockoffs of the K55 . . . check out the Design House 6 blade fan in the Yahoo Group, it has an import K55-copy.
I've never met a bad fan with a K55, or K55 equivalent.
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Post by organist89 on Mar 19, 2004 19:13:40 GMT -5
I don't know why, but I feel the odd urge to comment.
Yes, Andrew, a K55 causing a fan to fall is a bit strange...unless the threads in the top of the motor were faulty.
Oil bath fans still kick a$$, but I think there is something better than K55: K63.
As with fans falling...the Emerson was the close-to-ceiling/vaulted mount kit for the 1895 Series, n'est-ce pas?
Some fans...like the SMC spinners...don't use a mounting bracket. Instead, the ball sits in the canopy, making it easy to pull through should the canopy warp. I've seen many of this style of fan be recalled.
The worst thing ever is when someone mounts a Hunter Original into a non-fan-safe box, and if falls on you in your bed in the middle of the night...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2004 19:17:48 GMT -5
I don't know why, but I feel the odd urge to comment. Big surprise. Yes, Andrew, a K55 causing a fan to fall is a bit strange...unless the threads in the top of the motor were faulty. Even that wouldnt be the motor itself. Oil bath fans still kick a$$, but I think there is something better than K55: K63. I should have clarified: I'm lumping that in with the K55. As with fans falling...the Emerson was the close-to-ceiling/vaulted mount kit for the 1895 Series, n'est-ce pas? Yes. I have two. Some fans...like the SMC spinners...don't use a mounting bracket. Instead, the ball sits in the canopy, making it easy to pull through should the canopy warp. I've seen many of this style of fan be recalled. I've never seen an SMC spinner with this type of canopy (although I have seen several later, non-spinner fans, including some SMCs, made this way, most dual mount fans are), nor have I heard of any such fan ever having any problems or being recalled. Show me a recall notice on the web, will you? I cant find one.
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Post by Andrew G. on Mar 19, 2004 20:37:25 GMT -5
There is a recall notice in google somewhere that has to do with the recall of about 20,000 fans due to the canopy separating from the motor. I'll fid it for you if you don't believe me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2004 21:39:07 GMT -5
There is a recall notice in google somewhere that has to do with the recall of about 20,000 fans due to the canopy separating from the motor. I'll fid it for you if you don't believe me. Andrew, I know you're a smart guy-- PLEASE dont turn into Pierce Phillips-- READ what you type before you post it, in case it sounds stupid. The canopy separating from the motor-- think about it for a minute. What K55 fan that you can name has the canopy attached directly to the motor? And even if there was one, it couldnt possibly be the motor's fault, it would be because of the canopy being faulty. There is NO WAY you can blame a fan falling on a K55. What the recall is talking about is the ball on the downrod slipping out of the canopy, causing the motor and all the rest of the fan to fall. When they say "motor" they're referring to the downrod and everything else connected to it. Those fans would just as likely fallen if they had GE motors, or XLP motors, or Pierce Phillips inside turning the blades by hand.* *I'd probably let it fall, how about you?
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Post by organist89 on Mar 19, 2004 22:05:54 GMT -5
Dan, your last comment made me laugh so hard that I'll let the first one slide.
I've been letting up lately. Ever consider following suit?
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Post by Andrew G. on Mar 19, 2004 22:21:02 GMT -5
I don't think you understand exactly what I'm saying. Some Casablanca fans had a one-peice downrod that was bolted directly to the motor. I used to have one of those fans. It was a Delta fan from I think 1993. It was the same fan that was recalled by Casablanca a while back (the serial # started with CB) I am not another Pierce Phillips You know your info that I don't know and I know some stuff that you don't know. Here's an idea, go to a lighting showroom that sells Casablanca fans, ask a sales person about Casablanca's recalls and they will probably tell you the exact same thing.
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Post by Andrew G. on Mar 19, 2004 22:21:31 GMT -5
I don't think you understand exactly what I'm saying. Some Casablanca fans had a one-peice downrod that was bolted directly to the motor. I used to have one of those fans. It was a Delta fan from I think 1993. It was the same fan that was recalled by Casablanca a while back (the serial # started with CB) I am not another Pierce Phillips You know your info that I don't know and I know some stuff that you don't know. Here's an idea, go to a lighting showroom that sells Casablanca fans, ask a sales person about Casablanca's recalls and they will probably tell you the exact same thing.
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Post by Perrey on Mar 19, 2004 22:40:20 GMT -5
Andrew:
I'm wrong so i'm pretty sure you know everything, so you tell us genius. Read Dan Neuman's replies he got more patience than me!
Companies that use the K55 were only 5. the information i wrrote here is from my Emerson Motor catalog and database from 1980 until 2001. Here is the reason why the no longer use them.
Casablanca Reason: Company change {new ownership}, they found out a cheaper equivalent motor, the XLP-2000.
North Coast Reason: Company when out of business in 1999.
Fanimation Reason: Fanimation discovered serious electrical problems with the K55s that were imported from the Mexican plant Emerson open in the Fall on 1998. BEFORE THAT, they didn't have any problems with K55s.
The 1993 Casablanca recall you mention was not a K55 related problem., it was a manufacturing defect in the canopy.
And it wasn't 60,000 fans recalled, it was 3.3 Million units produce between January 1981 to September 1993. With the second serial numbers letters: A, B, C, O, P, R, S, T, U, V, Q, X and Y.
I have 9 of these fans, including 4-NIB.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2004 22:42:34 GMT -5
I don't think you understand exactly what I'm saying. Some Casablanca fans had a one-peice downrod that was bolted directly to the motor. I used to have one of those fans. It was a Delta fan from I think 1993. It was the same fan that was recalled by Casablanca a while back (the serial # started with CB) I have several of those fans. The facts remains: 1. The motor does not come in contact with the canopy 2. There is no way that a fan having a K55 motor could be the cause of it falling. 3. There have been no Casablanca recalls associated with K55 motors. For that matter, the fans that were recalled did not have the one piece downrod/flange. The downrod had a threaded support pipe that screwed to a flange, which was bolted (three bolts) to a cover plate. And there were never problems with any of these pieces separating.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2004 22:44:54 GMT -5
Reason: Fanimation discovered serious electrical problems with the K55s that were imported from the Mexican plant Emerson open in the Fall on 1998. BEFORE THAT, they didn't have any problems with K55s. I'd forgotten about this, so here I admit I am wrong. However Fanimation had a different recall involving mounting brackets. Here is the one I was reffering to: CPSC, Fanimation Announce Recall of Ceiling Fans WASHINGTON, D.C. - In cooperation with the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC), Fanimation Design and Manufacturing Inc., of Lebanon, Ind., is voluntarily recalling about 60,000 ceiling fans. The hanger bracket can break, which could cause the fan to fall from the ceiling and seriously injure anyone standing nearby. Fanimation has received four reports of hanger brackets breaking, including three instances where the fan fell from the ceiling. No injuries have been reported. The recalled ceiling fans include the following models: the Islander series with model number FP320 and date codes 01-00 through 03- 02; the Louvre series with model number FP1320 and date codes 01-00 through 03-02; and the Tropicana series with the model number FP1600 and date codes 12-01 through 04-02. The model number and date codes can be found on the manufacturer's sticker, located just above the motor of the fan. Lighting showrooms, fan specialty stores and electrical distributors nationwide sold the fans from February 2000 through July 2002 for between $550 to $850. Consumers should stop using the fans immediately and contact Fanimation at (888) 284-8938 between 9 a.m. and 5 p.m. CT Monday through Friday for a free, easy-to-install backup bracket. Customers will not have to disconnect the fan or remove the existing bracket. For more information, consumers can log on to the company's website at www.fanimation.com
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Post by organist89 on Mar 19, 2004 22:45:58 GMT -5
There is a line here, and you're crossed it. You have started using my name as an insult. And when people are called a "Pierce Phillips", they get offended.
That is going too far, Dan.
As I said in another thread, I've let up lately. But when I insult someone, I insult what they say. Not them as a person--especially their name.
I will warn you...this is not acceptable. I don't yet know how, Dan, but I so solemnly swear that I will find a way to make you regret it if you keep it up.
And Andrew, these threads are not for arguing. Please handle that via email. Can we please bring this thread back to its original topic?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2004 22:47:28 GMT -5
There is a line here, and you're crossed it. You have started using my name as an insult. And when people are called a "Pierce Phillips", they get offended. Sorry, Pierce, it was teasing meant in good fun. Didnt mean to offend you. Also, I wasnt meaning to insult Andrew when I said "dont turn into Pierce Phillips" . . . granted, I cant think of any other way he would have taken it (evil grin) . . .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2004 22:51:00 GMT -5
I cant find any record of the Fanimation K55 recall . . . Perrey, maybe it was a bad dream for both of us? Here's the Casablanca recall: WASHINGTON, DC -- The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) and Casablanca Fan Company, City of Industry, CA are jointly announcing the voluntary recall of 3,264,000 Casablanca brand ceiling fans manufactured from 1981 through 1993. The fans can separate from the canopy on which they are mounted to the ceiling. If a fan separates from its canopy, it will fall and possibly injure a bystander. In addition, a fallen fan may leave exposed wires in the ceiling possibly posing an electric shock hazard. Casablanca Fan Company has received approximately 50 reports of fans falling from ceiling mountings. One incident has been reported in which a consumer received an injury. CPSC learned of this problem when Casablanca notified the Commission of its intention to initiate a recall. The affected fans have a ball and canopy mounting system and were manufactured and sold nationwide from January 1981 through September 1993.
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Post by organist89 on Mar 19, 2004 22:56:29 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]Well, that explains why Casablanca stopped using those kick-a$$ canopies. I always liked those.[/glow]
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