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Post by newtonehunter on Feb 3, 2006 13:34:28 GMT -5
Okay, who has the knowledge base that would allow them self to chronicle the Zephyr and Delta Series made by CasaBlanca. Basically, I am under the impression that the Zephyr and the first generation Delta (or “Delta I”, with Zephyr style vents) where essentially the same fan. Only the Zephyr(which means “gentle wind” due to the ability to slow the fan way down) was variable speed, and the Delta was three speed(Delta=triangle=three=hence, three speeds).
So far, this is all I know. Anyone want to fill in the blanks?
• The original Zephyr came out in the late 1970’s(mine is dated 1978) • The original Delta came out in the early 1980’s. I have an ad from a 1983 New York Times that shows the Delta I. • I also have an ad from 1985 that advertises the Delta II (on sale for $199.95 in Antique White). • Somewhere along the line there was an Inteli-Touch Zephyr • And then there was the Lady Delta • All Deltas where gone by the late 1990’s. As for the end of the Zephyr, I am going to guess it was gone around 1990.
A few other questions…
The Panama. What is the deal with that fan? When did they come out, why did they come out, and why are they still being made today. That fan has been around for at least twenty years, and it doesn’t seem like a company that is as “cutting edge” as CasaBlanca would allow that. Also, as far as today’s Panamas, what is this new motor that is on some, but not on others? Are they any good?
The Victorian. Much like the Panama in terms of chronology. A neat fan, but anything flashier (old or new, such as the Broadway LTD or whatever) was way too overboard for a ceiling fan. But like I said, the Victorian is a decent looking fan, and is still available today (although you would be money ahead with a Gulf Coast Renaissance, and you wouldn’t have to replace the flywheel or Intel-Touch in the future, or a bracket if it was recalled). Of course, every fan manufacturer has made some version of the Victorian over the years, but that is a whole new thread…
The Four Seasons. Probably introduced around the same time as the Zephyr, but also morphed into an Inteli-Touch. When exactly did this fan end and begin, and what changes did it undergo? Eventually, the Four Seasons labeled what folks around here call the “builder junk.”
Thanks for your responces!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2006 14:10:30 GMT -5
Basically, I am under the impression that the Zephyr and the first generation Delta (or “Delta I”, with Zephyr style vents) where essentially the same fan. Only the Zephyr(which means “gentle wind” due to the ability to slow the fan way down) was variable speed, and the Delta was three speed(Delta=triangle=three=hence, three speeds). I have seen 3 speed Zephyrs and variable speed Deltas, although as far as I know Casablanca doesnt aacknowledge the existence of either. The Delta I and II were offered as a 5 speed fans. The Zephyr and Delta I had the same motor housing. During the time they offered the Delta I they also offered the Delta "Turbo" which was the same as the Delta II. There was also the Zephyr Turbo which had a motor housing very similar to the Delta II which was Slumber Quiet. Per my understanding all but the very earliest Delta Is and all the Delta IIs had short arm blade brackets. The Zephyr Turbo had long arms. I've never seen a Delta Turbo so I dont know about it's arms. Zephyr K63 1976-1979 Zephyr Slumber Quiet 1980-1983 Zephyr Inteli-Touch 1983-1990 No idea when the Zephyr Turbo was produced. Casablanca doesnt have record of it. I had one but I sold it to Matthew and I dont think he still has it. Delta I, Turbo 1981-1984 Delta II 1985-2000 Delta II 5 speed 1985-1986 The Panama. What is the deal with that fan? When did they come out, why did they come out, and why are they still being made today. That fan has been around for at least twenty years, and it doesn’t seem like a company that is as “cutting edge” as CasaBlanca would allow that. Also, as far as today’s Panamas, what is this new motor that is on some, but not on others? Are they any good? The Victorian . . . The Four Seasons . . . Panama Slumber Quiet 1981-1983 Panama Inteli-Touch 1983-2000 Panama 3 Speed 1987 Panama Comfort Touch 1991-2000 Panama II 2000-present Every company needs to offer a plain/traditional looking fan for the comsumer that does not want something that makes a decorative statement or looks out of the ordinary. Casablanca had/has the Panama, the Zephyr, etc to fill this role . . . they kept the Panama because it is modern looking, 5 blade, offers a variety of controls. I would have prefered the Delta, but hey, they didnt ask me. I have no experience with the new spinner motor, but I am very pessimistic about it. Victorian K63 1976-1979 Victorian Slumber Quiet 1980-1983 Victorian Inteli-Touch 1983-2000 Victorian 3 Speed 1986, 1993-1994 Victorian II 2000-present Four Seasons K63 1979 Four Seasons Slumber Quiet 1980-1985 Four Seasons Inteli-Touch 1983-1990 Nassau 1990 There was a 3 speed version but I have no data on it and it appears Casablanca has no record of it. I dont know or care about the Four Seasons II and III, as far as I am concerned they are an entirely different series of fans.
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Post by Matthew on Feb 3, 2006 14:39:08 GMT -5
The Zephyr was always a variable speed fan, up until 83' when Inteli Touch became standard, per my 83' Casablanca brochure. The Zephyr got a few changes down the road, I had a few later ones, and I currently have a 1987. As far as I know, the 1986-1987 Zephyrs had the short "Panama" style blade brackets, but in 1988 they brought back the long arms, but with the smaller switch housing and five blades standard. I had an 88 (pictured in dans Yahoo group) and a 1990. Both antique brass, both five blades with the long arms.
The Delta I offically came out in 1981, but Casablanca had sold some Promo Deltas back in 1980 to Home Depot, I have one. Its got the adjustible canopy, three speed. 1985 Saw the Delta II, only as a five speed. The Delta I was still being sold as three speed. 86' Saw the Delta II as a standard three speed. The five speed was no longer available, and the Delta I was cut.
The Inteli-Touch Zephyrs were 1983-1990, as Dan mentioned. I had way too many of those fans.
The Lady Delta was introduced in 1986, as a stopgap between the Delta II and Four seasons (only Inteli-Touch at the time). Available in 36" or 42", 42" was standard by 1992. Discontuned in 1997.
The Delta II was replaced in 1997 by the Delta III, which had a larger blade pitch and conceled blade screws. The Delta III is still being produced, they are only sold at Home Depot EXPO Stores. You can get them in Inteli-Touch or three speed.
Casablanca is proud of the Panama, now on its thrid generation.
Supposedly the Ventura is the next Casablanca to get cut off.
The Victorian is pretty much unchanged. Only a few changes aside from those new ugly blade holders. Still has the same basic body.
The Four Seasons was Casablancas Small fan until the Lady Delta came out. No real changes, they kept the unique stubby armless blade holders. Inteli-Touch was standard in 1983, except for the Low Ceiling edition, which was five speed. That was discontinued in 1986 when Casablanca introduced the Low Ceiling Adaptor. 1988 saw a smaller switch housing on it, and then in 1990 it gained an extra blade and the Nassau name (however, some still had the Four Seasons model numbers). It was later discontinued. There was a three speed version of the Four Seasons, but it was the 'Delta' and had the short Casablanca blade holders.
The current Four Seasons (1992-present) is just builder junk.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2006 14:57:49 GMT -5
I forgot about the 5 blade Zephyr, the LCA Four Seasons, and the Lady Delta.
I have no data on the 5 blade Zephyr. I dont know if it had a different model number than the standard Zephyrs.
My LCA Four Seasons is Slumber Quiet, I've never seen one in 5 speed. I have the box and the manual. It came standard with a mushroom globe, stencil blades, in polished brass.
Lady Delta 1986-2000, 3 Speed.
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Post by Andrew G. on Feb 3, 2006 15:07:44 GMT -5
the casablanca lady delta was discontinued in 1999, along with a number of finishes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2006 15:17:49 GMT -5
You say 1999, Casablanca says 2000. Who do I believe?
Although honestly, as much as I like to pick on you, depending on WHEN in 2000 you could both be right, sort of.
Tell you what, I'll find the post where you DEMANDED SOMEONE TO BUY YOU EXPENSIVE HUNTER PARTS ON EBAY and pick on you there.
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Post by newtonehunter on Feb 3, 2006 15:58:08 GMT -5
Thanks, I appreciate your information. You guys are amazing! I find CasaBlanca to be one of the most fascinating fan companies. It's good stuff, although their prices today reflect the mentality they are still ushering in the domestic ceiling fan market. You all know my stance on that(if you can build it just as well for cheaper, then do it). But the old CasaBlancas certianly retain that great "80's ceiling fan charm." I guess I will hang on to my Zephyr for that reason. It still works pretty well, but through quite a bit of noise.
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Post by Matthew on Feb 3, 2006 16:59:25 GMT -5
My LCA Four Seasons is Slumber Quiet, I've never seen one in 5 speed. I have the box and the manual. It came standard with a mushroom globe, stencil blades, in polished brass. Lady Delta 1986-2000, 3 Speed. According to the 84 Brochure, its a five speed. Yours might have been a different year. And you are correct on the lady delta years. my bad on the 1997 Casablanca will always be my favroite company. Heck, I dont own any other fans than Casablancas (have 8 Delta IIs at that). There was a time I was all over Homestead, but soon after realizing what peices of junk most of them are......
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Post by Matthew on Feb 3, 2006 20:34:51 GMT -5
Casablanca will always be my favroite company. Heck, I dont own any other fans than Casablancas (have 8 Delta IIs at that). Wait...I do have two non Casablancas: and that little hunter bath fan to the left. -I dont see where most of them are junk, please enlighten to the models, so i can stay away, lol Homestar, Superfan, Comfort Flow. Any of those, you're either in flywheel hell or electronic shat. The Homestars are soo unreliable. I had a ton of them back in the day, all defective. I only had two that worked, and they were new in box. The Superfan is a strage DC motor fan with a computerized variable speed/ light dimmer control. Had a few of those in the past. Not good either. The Comfort Flow is fairly reliable electronic wise, but the flywheels on them have a very short life expectnacy. And with any Homestead, finding parts is near impossible. Break a blade holder and you better get to like having a 4 or 3 blade fan. In order to have a Homestead, you need a spare fan for parts. The Universal, Wind and other Direct Drive models are very reliable, quiet and powerful. They are made by Halsey.
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Post by newtonehunter on Feb 3, 2006 20:46:10 GMT -5
The answer is inevitably Halsey... Thanks Matthew!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2006 2:01:42 GMT -5
I dont know if I'd go so far as to call Homestead junk . . . the flywheels certainly are, but replace them, and you're good to go. They certainly had no more electronics problems than Casablanca (*cough*slumber quiet*cough)
I prefer the older (oldest) models of both brands.
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Post by ulkesh54 on Feb 27, 2006 18:10:00 GMT -5
The Delta II was replaced in 1997 by the Delta III, which had a larger blade pitch and conceled blade screws. The Delta III is still being produced, they are only sold at Home Depot EXPO Stores. You can get them in Inteli-Touch or three speed. Actually, the change to a 15 degree blade pitch and concealed hardware happened in 2000. I think they still called it Delta II for that year as well. Can't remember about that part and don't have that catalog with me.
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Post by steves on Feb 27, 2006 18:50:00 GMT -5
I'm not even going to PRETEND I know half as much as some of these guys, but I will confirm that Delta III's are still being sold - my uncle's friend bought one a few weeks ago.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2006 20:33:24 GMT -5
I'm not even going to PRETEND I know half as much as some of these guys, but I will confirm that Delta III's are still being sold - my uncle's friend bought one a few weeks ago. I am assuming he bought New Old Stock because, per my understanding, they are no longer being made.
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Post by ulkesh54 on Feb 27, 2006 20:43:11 GMT -5
I believe Delta IIIs are still being made, but they are only available at Expo Design Centers. Not sure if they ordered a bunch or Casa is still making them,
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