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Post by Adin Panthers on Feb 19, 2020 1:51:35 GMT -5
Went on to Emerson's 2020 catalog and appeared that the K55 Motor is not disappearing anytime soon. It surprised me when I saw a Premium DC Motor with a K55 Flywheel. Was surprised that the K55 isn't disappearing anytime soon, so hopefully nobody would be sad about the end of the K55.
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Post by Parkman on Feb 21, 2020 15:26:36 GMT -5
Now this is something when I get home from work I’m gonna look deeper into that is promising
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Post by Adin Panthers on Feb 22, 2020 1:19:29 GMT -5
Now this is something when I get home from work I’m gonna look deeper into that is promising Go to Lumiance Brands website to see the 2020 Emerson Catalog. The 2 new models to use the K55 Eco Motor is the Crown Eco and Premium Eco. Hopefully Emerson will expand their K55 Eco Motor to their Fans.
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Post by fancollector12 on Feb 22, 2020 4:31:38 GMT -5
They really shouldn't call the EcoMotor the "K55 EcoMotor", but it is a good motor. The EcoMotor is quieter and moves more air than any K55 motor, and that's speaking from experience. Unfortunately DOE (Dept. of Energy) regulations for ceiling fans are forcing manufacturers to drop K55-style motors. Fanimation is the only manufacturer to hold onto K55-style motors with the FK2100 motor.
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Post by Cole D on Feb 22, 2020 21:41:56 GMT -5
Yeah I don't get why they call it a K55 because it isn't a true K55. Maybe they're trying to carry on with the name as their premium motor. But I'm glad they're keeping the rubber flywheel design at least. Casablanca should do this too!
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Post by Adin Panthers on Feb 23, 2020 1:37:36 GMT -5
Yeah I don't get why they call it a K55 because it isn't a true K55. Maybe they're trying to carry on with the name as their premium motor. But I'm glad they're keeping the rubber flywheel design at least. Casablanca should do this too! I agreed that Casablanca needs to do this!
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Post by Noah C on Feb 23, 2020 14:15:50 GMT -5
Casablanca should do this but realistically, they probably won't. Their fans are primarily AC motor fans and I don't think they're gonna overhaul their whole lineup...you may see some new Casablanca creep in with Hunter's new DC motor, though. I think the reason Fanimation is able to keep their FK2100 motor around is because they managed to get the high speed current draw down to around .65-.7 amps and around 80-85 watts, where the K55XL would draw closer to .8 amps and 95-100 watts, and the XLP2000 would draw anywhere between 105 and 120 watts...and the performance difference between the FK2100 and those other motors is tiny. There is a returning player in the ceiling fan space making fans with driveshaft-style motors, though. That player is Razzetti Italy, and their whole ceiling fan line has this HUGE 1.2 amp driveshaft-style motor that is probably more powerful than Emerson's biggest K63. Their website is www.en.razzetti-italy.com/products/ceiling-fanI like what Emerson is doing this year, with the Smart Home integration and this new motor. I just wish that they hadn't discontinued their industrials, because they just gave all of their market share of residentially-sold industrial fans to Kichler, with their Todo and Motu fans. All they had to do was put a ball/socket on the 48"/56" heat fans like the 60".
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Post by fancollector12 on Mar 1, 2020 4:19:47 GMT -5
Casablanca should do this but realistically, they probably won't. Their fans are primarily AC motor fans and I don't think they're gonna overhaul their whole lineup...you may see some new Casablanca creep in with Hunter's new DC motor, though. I think the reason Fanimation is able to keep their FK2100 motor around is because they managed to get the high speed current draw down to around .65-.7 amps and around 80-85 watts, where the K55XL would draw closer to .8 amps and 95-100 watts, and the XLP2000 would draw anywhere between 105 and 120 watts...and the performance difference between the FK2100 and those other motors is tiny. There is a returning player in the ceiling fan space making fans with driveshaft-style motors, though. That player is Razzetti Italy, and their whole ceiling fan line has this HUGE 1.2 amp driveshaft-style motor that is probably more powerful than Emerson's biggest K63. Their website is www.en.razzetti-italy.com/products/ceiling-fanI like what Emerson is doing this year, with the Smart Home integration and this new motor. I just wish that they hadn't discontinued their industrials, because they just gave all of their market share of residentially-sold industrial fans to Kichler, with their Todo and Motu fans. All they had to do was put a ball/socket on the 48"/56" heat fans like the 60". AFAIK the Heat Fans are still manufactured, as they're in Emerson's 2020 catalog. At this point, I feel like Hunter has given up on Casablanca, as they haven't really had any new products in awhile. But Hunter has made up for it with their own selection of great new products over the past few years. And I forgot about Razzetti... of course their motors are custom-designed to be energy-efficient yet powerful.
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Post by Parkman on Mar 1, 2020 8:37:14 GMT -5
Emerson’s cheap stuff is well made compared to anything hunter still manufactures minus the original. Hunter and Casablancas are junk their bearings go within months or are bad out of the box and that’s on several models I’ve bought at various price points. Hunter is worried about profitability period using their name legacy to sell where Emerson still cares about their product
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Post by Noah C on Mar 1, 2020 14:35:18 GMT -5
Casablanca should do this but realistically, they probably won't. Their fans are primarily AC motor fans and I don't think they're gonna overhaul their whole lineup...you may see some new Casablanca creep in with Hunter's new DC motor, though. I think the reason Fanimation is able to keep their FK2100 motor around is because they managed to get the high speed current draw down to around .65-.7 amps and around 80-85 watts, where the K55XL would draw closer to .8 amps and 95-100 watts, and the XLP2000 would draw anywhere between 105 and 120 watts...and the performance difference between the FK2100 and those other motors is tiny. There is a returning player in the ceiling fan space making fans with driveshaft-style motors, though. That player is Razzetti Italy, and their whole ceiling fan line has this HUGE 1.2 amp driveshaft-style motor that is probably more powerful than Emerson's biggest K63. Their website is www.en.razzetti-italy.com/products/ceiling-fanI like what Emerson is doing this year, with the Smart Home integration and this new motor. I just wish that they hadn't discontinued their industrials, because they just gave all of their market share of residentially-sold industrial fans to Kichler, with their Todo and Motu fans. All they had to do was put a ball/socket on the 48"/56" heat fans like the 60". AFAIK the Heat Fans are still manufactured, as they're in Emerson's 2020 catalog. At this point, I feel like Hunter has given up on Casablanca, as they haven't really had any new products in awhile. But Hunter has made up for it with their own selection of great new products over the past few years. And I forgot about Razzetti... of course their motors are custom-designed to be energy-efficient yet powerful. The heat fans are still in the 2020 catalog, but did you notice "while supplies last" statement on all of the pages for the heat fans? That means they are no longer manufacturing those and are selling the inventory they have. Pretty poor judgement call IMO, because the only other showroom brand selling real industrial fans to residential buyers who don't know about Grainger, Sylvane, Cresco, etc. is Kichler. I think that if Emerson were to discontinue anything or sell their remaining inventory of it, it should have been some of their bevy of midrange contemporary/transitional products that nobody would buy for the prices Emerson charges for them. It seems as if Hunter has given up on Casablanca right now, but I think that what they do in 2020 remains to be seen, especially considering how slow of a year 2019 was for ceiling fans. Hunter's new products have definitely been exciting to watch for. It's unfortunate that Razzetti currently doesn't have any distributors in the US for their products, but when they either begin distributing themselves or find retailers, those fans are gonna make a huge dent in the US market, and hopefully cause other manufacturers to produce more fans that actually perform. Razzetti's fans are on a performance level as good as, if not better than, fans like the Heat Cycler, K63 Blenderfans, those obscure 1930's/Art Deco Originals with the 2.5amp motor, etc. Emerson’s cheap stuff is well made compared to anything hunter still manufactures minus the original. Hunter and Casablancas are junk their bearings go within months or are bad out of the box and that’s on several models I’ve bought at various price points. Hunter is worried about profitability period using their name legacy to sell where Emerson still cares about their product We've all seen the quality Emerson produces at all price points. However, unlike Hunter, Emerson isn't producing fans people have tangible incentive to buy. Emerson doesn't have any fans with "inspired" ceiling fan design and good performance at reasonable prices, nor do they have Bluetooth/Smart Home integration below the high-end price tier, since that's only available on about three of their DC motor fans. Even though the quality is great, the designs aren't as trendy as their competition, and Emerson seems to like to underpower their AC motor fans. Unfortunately, Kichler and Fanimation are doing the same thing, but they have more eye-catching fan designs than Emerson so they get away with it more. So far, I like Emerson's new take on the K55 motor and a lot of their new DC motor releases, plus the Smart Home integration. It's also cool that we're now seeing DC motor fans with traditional pull chains and reverse switches; check out Emerson's new DC motor pro series fan. But the sad truth, as it stands now, is that Emerson's struggling to sell their fans, especially those midrange fans they have; Emerson sold their air comforts division in the first place because it was becoming a liability to them. I'd love to see new management under Luminance turn that around, but I'm not exactly hopeful that this will happen, especially looking at Concord fans' current product line. On a positive note, Luminance seems to be putting a lot more effort into the Emerson fan line, and they seem to really care about carrying on Emerson's legacy.
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Post by Adin Panthers on Mar 2, 2020 19:18:02 GMT -5
Modern Fan Company had said they transitioned their models from K55 to DC due to the production moving from China to Taiwan, and the availability of the motor.
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Post by Shepherd Wolf on May 11, 2021 13:12:18 GMT -5
Not sure about this
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