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Post by Cole D on May 14, 2017 12:51:37 GMT -5
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Post by Noah C on May 14, 2017 15:16:03 GMT -5
*XLP-2000 you mean, and it's not the only XLP Panama in stock, as Casablanca still sells a redesigned, 5xxxx model XLP Panama. It's probably the last of the older design panamas (66xxG/Z) still in stock. |
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Post by Parkman on May 14, 2017 16:12:01 GMT -5
They had Matte Black and Weathered Copper up until a year ago of the old Panama II models. Its worth it if you need something new.
I haven't heard much on these new Panama XLP's, I know that the Pull Chain model ones are no where near with airflow of an XLP or XTR Panama but they are decent for a Casablanca Direct Drive fan which tend to be noisy in my opinion.
I heard the new Panama's XLP was also getting discontinued somewhere and it would be Direct Drive only for 2017.
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Post by Noah C on May 14, 2017 21:34:41 GMT -5
They had Matte Black and Weathered Copper up until a year ago of the old Panama II models. Its worth it if you need something new. I haven't heard much on these new Panama XLP's, I know that the Pull Chain model ones are no where near with airflow of an XLP or XTR Panama but they are decent for a Casablanca Direct Drive fan which tend to be noisy in my opinion. I heard the new Panama's XLP was also getting discontinued somewhere and it would be Direct Drive only for 2017. The Panama direct drive models actually move more air than the XLP ones right now, but only slightly. I have seen and felt both first hand, and what I can tell you is the direct drive model (both pull chain and control) spins a good deal faster than the XLP model (control exclusively) because its blade pitch is 13° instead of 15° like the XLP; I'd say the direct drive model does about 230-240 RPM on high, versus the approximate 190-200 the XLP does (both with 52" blade span). They both move a lot of air, but the direct drive model edges it out. Casa's direct drive motors used to be noisy, but the new ones are literally dead silent. The new Panama XLP as a whole has been discontinued as you said. But hey, at least they didn't get rid of the Victorian. |
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Post by fancollector12 on May 14, 2017 23:16:17 GMT -5
The Panama XLP is on clearance on Casa's website, including blades, for right around $320 right now.  That's a KILLER deal for an IT3 Panama, and it'd have to include blades, since Casa changed the spacing and therefore doesn't make Badge or Standard blades anymore. And Noah, actually unfortunately, the Victorian IS discontinued, and has been since at least the 4th quarter of 2016. |
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Post by Jordan U on May 15, 2017 10:30:50 GMT -5
That's not a bad deal from Hansen.. I'd consider it,, but with my luck the bearings would be bad from sitting for a while!
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Post by Parkman on May 15, 2017 17:23:34 GMT -5
I'd still go for it if I needed a fan and that finish would work.
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Post by Noah C on May 15, 2017 17:26:35 GMT -5
The Panama XLP is on clearance on Casa's website, including blades, for right around $320 right now. That's a KILLER deal for an IT3 Panama, and it'd have to include blades, since Casa changed the spacing and therefore doesn't make Badge or Standard blades anymore. And Noah, actually unfortunately, the Victorian IS discontinued, and has been since at least the 4th quarter of 2016. I saw the Victorian in Bronze still present on Casa's website, and without a clearance sign, in the same way as the fans still on their website that weren't discontinued. I will check and update the post if I see otherwise. As for the Panama XLP, it had to be discontinued in my opinion, as much as I wanted it to stay in the lineup. Casablanca probably didn't sell too many because to the average consumer, the 188×20mm model is cheaper to buy and uses less energy. And having felt the airflow from both variants first hand, I can tell you that the 188×20mm model actually performs a bit better than the XLP model (both with 52" blade span), so it was simply less efficient to keep the Panama XLP around. UPDATE: Link to casa's website: www.casablancafanco.com/ceiling-fans/victorian Doesn't seem discontinued to me... |
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Post by fancollector12 on May 15, 2017 23:16:06 GMT -5
Correct. The 3-speed model is a better performer than the XLP, which is why the XLP is being discontinued, that and the fact that the DC motor is the new K55, virtually silent, no maintenance, and moves more air than a spinner or K55 motor fan. They also use less energy. I own an (Emerson) Midway DC ECO, and it is like a tornado on high, and there are a wide variety of speed settings (at least 6... with some manufacturers are even trying 9, with Fanimation trying 31). I wasn't a fan of the post-2012 "Direct Drive" Casas, but now seeing their CFM ratings, and hearing that they're quiet, I'd be willing to give one a chance.
Casa no longer makes blades that don't use the Hunter spacing (Hunter's always used the spacing that Casa is now just starting to use), and with that, there aren't blades that will fit the Victorian, so essentially the Victorian is "Discontinued", well, at least, "Technically". Casa is actually discontinuing most (with the exception of the Stealth/LED and Stealth DC/LED), as their new models are surpassing the Stealth and Panama in sales for the first time in nearly 20 years.
So that's just my opinion on this. I think Casa's actually going in the right direction, keeping up with the trends, and keeping themselves afloat in this economy.
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Post by Noah C on May 16, 2017 17:38:09 GMT -5
Correct. The 3-speed model is a better performer than the XLP, which is why the XLP is being discontinued, that and the fact that the DC motor is the new K55, virtually silent, no maintenance, and moves more air than a spinner or K55 motor fan. They also use less energy. I own an (Emerson) Midway DC ECO, and it is like a tornado on high, and there are a wide variety of speed settings (at least 6... with some manufacturers are even trying 9, with Fanimation trying 31). I wasn't a fan of the post-2012 "Direct Drive" Casas, but now seeing their CFM ratings, and hearing that they're quiet, I'd be willing to give one a chance. Casa no longer makes blades that don't use the Hunter spacing (Hunter's always used the spacing that Casa is now just starting to use), and with that, there aren't blades that will fit the Victorian, so essentially the Victorian is "Discontinued", well, at least, "Technically". Casa is actually discontinuing most (with the exception of the Stealth/LED and Stealth DC/LED), as their new models are surpassing the Stealth and Panama in sales for the first time in nearly 20 years. So that's just my opinion on this. I think Casa's actually going in the right direction, keeping up with the trends, and keeping themselves afloat in this economy. Actually, the pull chain Panama 188×20mm model is 4-speed. They offer one with the 4-speed control; the XLP was offered with the 4-speed control exclusively. The DC model actually performs around the same as the 188×20mm model, again having felt these first hand. The 188×20mm and 172×20mm casas, almost all of them, are of high quality, are almost dead silent, and are like tornadoes on full blast; and yes, those Midway Ecos/anything with those Hampton Bay industrial/Windward- shaped blades and a decent motor moves a lot of air. Casablanca no longer makes blades without Hunter spacing nor the Inteli-Touch control, for any other ceiling fan model except the Victorian. How they are doing it now is that the Victorian is sold included with a badge-style blade set and an Inteli-Touch control. So, the Victorian is most definitely still alive. Casablanca seems to have all of their fans with spinner or DC motors, save for two: the Atria (68") with the XTR200 motor, and the Victorian, the one model with the XLP-2000 motor that is managing to stay alive because it's kind of serving as casablanca's "original" if you know what I mean; the one ceiling fan that has been in the lineup for years. I most definitely agree; Casa is doing right as a whole. |
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Post by Cole S. on May 16, 2017 18:09:32 GMT -5
I don't know what's going on with the Victorian, but last year's catalog had it listed as 'Discontinued - While Supplies Last'. I feel like supplies are just still lasting, it's still been an expensive fan. It's not easy to clear out that stock without major price reductions.
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Post by Jared H. on May 16, 2017 18:38:52 GMT -5
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Post by Parkman on May 16, 2017 19:33:38 GMT -5
I don't know what's going on with the Victorian, but last year's catalog had it listed as 'Discontinued - While Supplies Last'. I feel like supplies are just still lasting, it's still been an expensive fan. It's not easy to clear out that stock without major price reductions. I just checked Build.com and it says 94 In stock, sounds about right, they just aren't moving. This style I can't see moving at all with the way the markets styles are right now and all of the modern stuff out there at better price points. Also the blades are probably getting scarce to those buying online who know nothing about buying fans and where you can get blades. |
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Post by Noah C on May 17, 2017 1:51:43 GMT -5
   Dear Noah, unless you for sure know what you're talking about, please refrain. Did you get that screenshot off of Casablanca's own website? When I checked their website, this information wasn't present. Link: www.casablancafanco.com/Ceiling-Fans/Victorian?ModelNumber=60129However, your iPad loads in the full version of the website instead of the mobile version like my Android phone. So, information on their website that I may not see on my phone may be seen by you. So it seems as though the fan has indeed been discontinued, and I was wrong. Even still, Casa's changes to their lineup have been well worth it in my opinion, even without the XLP-2000 motor. Jared; since again your device loads the full version of Casablanca's website, I wonder: Casa still has the "Atria" on their website, the one XTR200 fan remaining. Did they discontinue this model as well? UPDATE: Ok, I figured out where that came from: the 2016 catalog. Again, you are most likely right about this, but I'm going to wait until the 2017 catalog comes out to double check. |
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Post by Jordan U on May 19, 2017 13:07:48 GMT -5
I just checked Build.com and it says 94 In stock, sounds about right, they just aren't moving. This style I can't see moving at all with the way the markets styles are right now and all of the modern stuff out there at better price points. |
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