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Post by Noah C on Apr 3, 2016 22:35:50 GMT -5
Always wondered about these myself. At the time of their production, their stated CFM rating was well over that of an Original. However they didn't last long and you're the first collector I know to actually obtain one. Only ones I've ever seen in real life were on the San Antonio Riverwalk several years ago and they may not even be there anymore. I'll be interested in hearing how it performs. Do you mean that the fan was in production for a short amount of time, or that it is unreliable?
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Post by Parkman on Apr 4, 2016 5:12:20 GMT -5
I think were over analyzing the entire CFM thing in this thread.
I hold the Hunter Beacon Hill series in high regard as it is a fan that costs under $110 and up until 2012 was a good quality product. We've discussed on here before that even though its rated at 4600 CFM it moves more air than most 52" Hunters rated in the 5-6,000's as it has a high RPM. Until we get into Paramount XP and so forth.
In some regards CFM's are like fuel economy ratings. The tests state that the results are here but are they like this in real life ratings? I had that Chinese Original and I've had a 52" Hunter Summer Breeze move more air than that thing. Yet isn't it rated very high in CFM's? I think RPM's and pitch are two factors that you have to do your own homework on as its not printed on the box. Hansen Wholesale is a valuable resource on newer fans to find this content on newer fans. I've had a Casablanca Panama XTR fan which had high CFM's. . The thing wasn't that great, it was rated at the time higher than my Panama XLP but it didn't move more air.
If we continually overanalyze these ratings what difference does it make. I've been reading VCF's threads daily since 2007 and at this point it seems there are five categories of fan collectors. At this point if anyone makes a thread asking about a fan the response goes into
1. Antique Fan Collectors which aren't here really because they exclusively collect really old stuff.
2. True Vintage Fan Enthusiasts like Adam D. Who like their 1970's-1980's fans and want to vomit when they go by the Fan display at Home Depot in the present.
3. The K55/Original pusher. They push these types of fans on everything and everyone. (I've been here at some points) Hey everyone I need a fan for my churches storage room.. Whats the response? GET AN ORIGINAL, GET A USED DELTA II. Then the Original Poster response to that is that they just need something cheap or the place doesn't want a used fan, etc. Whats the response from to that? Explain to them that those fans will be junk GET AN ORIGINAL, GET A USED PANAMA, etc.
4. The Everyday/Average Collector. They know what a good fan is, they know they wont go out and buy a Hampton Bay Farmington and expect it to last 15 years but they are willing to seek out an old Encon if it holds childhood value for them. Their collection ranges from a TAT Spinner to a Panama to a Hampton Bay Chatham. This range fits alot of people ranging and most of us.
-I feel a new category even stems from this. Fanimation and Emerson now are held in such high regard in these parts. They should as they still make a decent product. I feel that the Fan Collector who still has a respect for a quality item such as a Fanimation Edgewood or Emerson Premium but their is still loyalty to an old Tara or Moss WF is what is evolving to the norm.
5. The Newbie: Usually starts on Youtube and then pops up here. They get a new Builders Best for their birthday and make a video. They come on here acting like its the best fan made and is real excited... Then they learn on the Forums/Facebook groups, etc that its junk. Then all of a sudden HAS to have the top end K55 stuff once they experience it.
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Post by JW on Apr 4, 2016 7:01:41 GMT -5
Do you mean that the fan was in production for a short amount of time, or that it is unreliable? Wasn't produced very long.
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Post by Max C. on Apr 4, 2016 18:56:00 GMT -5
After creating a mock order, it has been determined that the fan is in-stock. We will be purchasing it sometime next month.
They recently discontinued the Carrera Grande (the one Cole has) so it should be less expensive; it seems as though your living room would require a transitional fan anyway. That has a 212×25 so it should move more air, unless they put capacitor(s) with really low values inside of it, which I don't think they did. Can you post a picture of your living room, because nobody knows how big it is, it's style, what would fit? I appreciate the suggestion Noah, however an Emerson Carrera Grande is not exactly the style I am looking for. I think were over analyzing the entire CFM thing in this thread. I hold the Hunter Beacon Hill series in high regard as it is a fan that costs under $110 and up until 2012 was a good quality product. We've discussed on here before that even though its rated at 4600 CFM it moves more air than most 52" Hunters rated in the 5-6,000's as it has a high RPM. Until we get into Paramount XP and so forth. In some regards CFM's are like fuel economy ratings. The tests state that the results are here but are they like this in real life ratings? I had that Chinese Original and I've had a 52" Hunter Summer Breeze move more air than that thing. Yet isn't it rated very high in CFM's? I think RPM's and pitch are two factors that you have to do your own homework on as its not printed on the box. Hansen Wholesale is a valuable resource on newer fans to find this content on newer fans. I've had a Casablanca Panama XTR fan which had high CFM's. . The thing wasn't that great, it was rated at the time higher than my Panama XLP but it didn't move more air. If we continually overanalyze these ratings what difference does it make. I've been reading VCF's threads daily since 2007 and at this point it seems there are five categories of fan collectors. At this point if anyone makes a thread asking about a fan the response goes into 1. Antique Fan Collectors which aren't here really because they exclusively collect really old stuff. 2. True Vintage Fan Enthusiasts like Adam D. Who like their 1970's-1980's fans and want to vomit when they go by the Fan display at Home Depot in the present. 3. The K55/Original pusher. They push these types of fans on everything and everyone. (I've been here at some points) Hey everyone I need a fan for my churches storage room.. Whats the response? GET AN ORIGINAL, GET A USED DELTA II. Then the Original Poster response to that is that they just need something cheap or the place doesn't want a used fan, etc. Whats the response from to that? Explain to them that those fans will be junk GET AN ORIGINAL, GET A USED PANAMA, etc. 4. The Everyday/Average Collector. They know what a good fan is, they know they wont go out and buy a Hampton Bay Farmington and expect it to last 15 years but they are willing to seek out an old Encon if it holds childhood value for them. Their collection ranges from a TAT Spinner to a Panama to a Hampton Bay Chatham. This range fits alot of people ranging and most of us. -I feel a new category even stems from this. Fanimation and Emerson now are held in such high regard in these parts. They should as they still make a decent product. I feel that the Fan Collector who still has a respect for a quality item such as a Fanimation Edgewood or Emerson Premium but their is still loyalty to an old Tara or Moss WF is what is evolving to the norm. 5. The Newbie: Usually starts on Youtube and then pops up here. They get a new Builders Best for their birthday and make a video. They come on here acting like its the best fan made and is real excited... Then they learn on the Forums/Facebook groups, etc that its junk. Then all of a sudden HAS to have the top end K55 stuff once they experience it. I feel you have brought up some excellent points here. I would likely fit into the "Everyday Collector" category. Although a vintage ceiling fan does typically possess greater character than a modern one, I do not dismiss anything based on age in and of itself.
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Post by Noah C on Apr 5, 2016 2:43:37 GMT -5
I think were over analyzing the entire CFM thing in this thread. I hold the Hunter Beacon Hill series in high regard as it is a fan that costs under $110 and up until 2012 was a good quality product. We've discussed on here before that even though its rated at 4600 CFM it moves more air than most 52" Hunters rated in the 5-6,000's as it has a high RPM. Until we get into Paramount XP and so forth. In some regards CFM's are like fuel economy ratings. The tests state that the results are here but are they like this in real life ratings? I had that Chinese Original and I've had a 52" Hunter Summer Breeze move more air than that thing. Yet isn't it rated very high in CFM's? I think RPM's and pitch are two factors that you have to do your own homework on as its not printed on the box. Hansen Wholesale is a valuable resource on newer fans to find this content on newer fans. I've had a Casablanca Panama XTR fan which had high CFM's. . The thing wasn't that great, it was rated at the time higher than my Panama XLP but it didn't move more air. If we continually overanalyze these ratings what difference does it make. I've been reading VCF's threads daily since 2007 and at this point it seems there are five categories of fan collectors. At this point if anyone makes a thread asking about a fan the response goes into 1. Antique Fan Collectors which aren't here really because they exclusively collect really old stuff. 2. True Vintage Fan Enthusiasts like Adam D. Who like their 1970's-1980's fans and want to vomit when they go by the Fan display at Home Depot in the present. 3. The K55/Original pusher. They push these types of fans on everything and everyone. (I've been here at some points) Hey everyone I need a fan for my churches storage room.. Whats the response? GET AN ORIGINAL, GET A USED DELTA II. Then the Original Poster response to that is that they just need something cheap or the place doesn't want a used fan, etc. Whats the response from to that? Explain to them that those fans will be junk GET AN ORIGINAL, GET A USED PANAMA, etc. 4. The Everyday/Average Collector. They know what a good fan is, they know they wont go out and buy a Hampton Bay Farmington and expect it to last 15 years but they are willing to seek out an old Encon if it holds childhood value for them. Their collection ranges from a TAT Spinner to a Panama to a Hampton Bay Chatham. This range fits alot of people ranging and most of us. -I feel a new category even stems from this. Fanimation and Emerson now are held in such high regard in these parts. They should as they still make a decent product. I feel that the Fan Collector who still has a respect for a quality item such as a Fanimation Edgewood or Emerson Premium but their is still loyalty to an old Tara or Moss WF is what is evolving to the norm. 5. The Newbie: Usually starts on Youtube and then pops up here. They get a new Builders Best for their birthday and make a video. They come on here acting like its the best fan made and is real excited... Then they learn on the Forums/Facebook groups, etc that its junk. Then all of a sudden HAS to have the top end K55 stuff once they experience it. Officially the smartest person on this forum.
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Post by Jordan U on Apr 7, 2016 12:38:38 GMT -5
Interesting analysis on the different types of collectors.. Now we just need to get everyone to respect them!
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Post by Cole S. on Apr 7, 2016 20:26:33 GMT -5
I've tried dealing with Below Cost before, haven't had a great amount of success to be honest when it came to models I really wanted to pursue. I think were over analyzing the entire CFM thing in this thread. I hold the Hunter Beacon Hill series in high regard as it is a fan that costs under $110 and up until 2012 was a good quality product. We've discussed on here before that even though its rated at 4600 CFM it moves more air than most 52" Hunters rated in the 5-6,000's as it has a high RPM. Until we get into Paramount XP and so forth. In some regards CFM's are like fuel economy ratings. The tests state that the results are here but are they like this in real life ratings? I had that Chinese Original and I've had a 52" Hunter Summer Breeze move more air than that thing. Yet isn't it rated very high in CFM's? I think RPM's and pitch are two factors that you have to do your own homework on as its not printed on the box. Hansen Wholesale is a valuable resource on newer fans to find this content on newer fans. I've had a Casablanca Panama XTR fan which had high CFM's. . The thing wasn't that great, it was rated at the time higher than my Panama XLP but it didn't move more air. If we continually overanalyze these ratings what difference does it make. I've been reading VCF's threads daily since 2007 and at this point it seems there are five categories of fan collectors. At this point if anyone makes a thread asking about a fan the response goes into Yes. Thank you. This is like a discussion we would've delved into over email, I'm glad this one's public. I took out your breakdown in the quote for ease of readability, but I'm with you 100% on everything (as usual).
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Post by Max C. on Apr 7, 2016 20:48:25 GMT -5
I've tried dealing with Below Cost before, haven't had a great amount of success to be honest when it came to models I really wanted to pursue. What has been the issue (or issues), if I may ask?
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Post by Parkman on Apr 7, 2016 22:04:06 GMT -5
I've tried dealing with Below Cost before, haven't had a great amount of success to be honest when it came to models I really wanted to pursue. I think were over analyzing the entire CFM thing in this thread. I hold the Hunter Beacon Hill series in high regard as it is a fan that costs under $110 and up until 2012 was a good quality product. We've discussed on here before that even though its rated at 4600 CFM it moves more air than most 52" Hunters rated in the 5-6,000's as it has a high RPM. Until we get into Paramount XP and so forth. In some regards CFM's are like fuel economy ratings. The tests state that the results are here but are they like this in real life ratings? I had that Chinese Original and I've had a 52" Hunter Summer Breeze move more air than that thing. Yet isn't it rated very high in CFM's? I think RPM's and pitch are two factors that you have to do your own homework on as its not printed on the box. Hansen Wholesale is a valuable resource on newer fans to find this content on newer fans. I've had a Casablanca Panama XTR fan which had high CFM's. . The thing wasn't that great, it was rated at the time higher than my Panama XLP but it didn't move more air. If we continually overanalyze these ratings what difference does it make. I've been reading VCF's threads daily since 2007 and at this point it seems there are five categories of fan collectors. At this point if anyone makes a thread asking about a fan the response goes into Yes. Thank you. This is like a discussion we would've delved into over email, I'm glad this one's public. I took out your breakdown in the quote for ease of readability, but I'm with you 100% on everything (as usual). Cole! I haven't forgotten about you, wait till you hear all I've been up too lol
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Post by Cole S. on Apr 8, 2016 23:17:34 GMT -5
I've tried dealing with Below Cost before, haven't had a great amount of success to be honest when it came to models I really wanted to pursue. What has been the issue (or issues), if I may ask? Mainly that what's represented is not actually in stock. It's quite a database, but I'd question what percentage of it is actually available for purchase. Cole! I haven't forgotten about you, wait till you hear all I've been up too lol LOL I'm sure a ton has gone down since we last caught up in-depth, it certainly has on my end. Super happy to see you around on the forums again!
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Post by Parkman on Apr 9, 2016 6:57:32 GMT -5
Cole hit the nail on the head! The only time they ever had something I wanted actually in stock was like in 2009. I wanted a Hunter Leighton, but they wanted $28 to ship it on top of the $79 or $89 for the fan. I could justify the price of the fan but not for the price with the shipping on top of it.
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Post by Max C. on Apr 9, 2016 15:06:21 GMT -5
Mainly that what's represented is not actually in stock. It's quite a database, but I'd question what percentage of it is actually available for purchase. Listing models which are out-of-stock is quite bizarre...regardless I will call them to confirm that the Belle Meade is, in fact, available! Cole hit the nail on the head! The only time they ever had something I wanted actually in stock was like in 2009. I wanted a Hunter Leighton, but they wanted $28 to ship it on top of the $79 or $89 for the fan. I could justify the price of the fan but not for the price with the shipping on top of it. Cost is not a swaying factor, as I have been adding to the Fan Fund for a while now.
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Post by John Shelley on Apr 9, 2016 21:12:56 GMT -5
2. True Vintage Fan Enthusiasts like Adam D. Who like their 1970's-1980's fans and want to vomit when they go by the Fan display at Home Depot in the present. -I feel a new category even stems from this. Fanimation and Emerson now are held in such high regard in these parts. They should as they still make a decent product. I feel that the Fan Collector who still has a respect for a quality item such as a Fanimation Edgewood or Emerson Premium but their is still loyalty to an old Tara or Moss WF is what is evolving to the norm. This is me I like the old stuff the best but if something new is done right under the hood so to speak I do like it for performance reason though I may disagree with the styling
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Post by fan1968 on Apr 11, 2016 14:24:23 GMT -5
Something vintage. That's all I can say.
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Post by becausecanadia on Apr 11, 2016 20:13:04 GMT -5
I hoard vintage/rare spinners and industrials..that makes up about 90% of my collection lol.
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