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Post by Jean Lemieux on Feb 2, 2013 1:41:08 GMT -5
Tais, I thought you might be interested in seeing this, it's a SNC 4-speed wall control in the push button thai style. I'm not sure if it's the same SNC as the fan you recently got. The picture was taken in Phuket, Thailand.
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Post by Tais on Feb 2, 2013 13:18:59 GMT -5
Hmm.. thats interesting.. I've never seen these regulators anywhere in UAE! The SNC label on my fan looks different than this
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Post by zaveri on Feb 17, 2013 7:11:30 GMT -5
what is that big-motored fan with a hole in its centre lying behind that pak fan ?
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Post by Tais on Feb 17, 2013 9:05:49 GMT -5
zaveri: national more scrap finds this time!! 5 Union ABCs, 2 SMC KN56, 1 SMC KN48, 1 relite fan and 1 bajaj popular! 4 union ABC fans that seem to be the last of the union fans! the motor is smaller than the earlier ones i have, uses a plastic box 3.5 uF capacitor.. all of them have a label with 489130, by reversing it, it appears to be 031984... there is a possibility that this could be the date of the fans (march 1984).. they have metal canopies and use a thinner downrod that is not threaded (just like the 80s SMC industrials) these motors weight a bit less than 8 Kgs, as compared to the old ones which is 10 kgs a very unusual ABC fan made by union i found by chance when picking out the fans from the scrapyard as it was covered under a pile of sheets.. it's the first time i've seen pointed motors in UAE and its even made by union! both canopies are metallic, notice that the word ABC can be seen but not clearly on the lower canopy 3 SMC industrials, 2 are chinese made big motors, one of them has mid 90s blades and a different winding structure where 2 cables are connected from the capacitor to the motor instead of 1.. it uses a 9 uF capacitor instead of the usual 4 uF cap, the other one is chinese made but just like the HK made ones.. the third one is a 48" SMC KN56 dated july 1999.. strangely the blades are exactly like the late 80s design as you may notice a burned mark on one motor, it turns out to be shorted and the cable burned out.. the iron in that part of the motor melted as if it were touched by the arc welding rod some SMC blade restorations: a relite fan dated february 1985 with a short downrod and finally a bajaj super from the 90s
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2013 14:03:34 GMT -5
NICE FINDS
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Post by Tais on Mar 15, 2013 7:21:47 GMT -5
some more finds this time in march where i got 8 fans, only 1 had its blade set the first batch: i found them in the same scrapyard but in a different section.. there was a huge pile of ceiling fan motors, most of them having damaged canopies and a few having bent downrods, a majority were 1990 SMC K56 motors and late 70s SMC motors, there were 2 union KMJs and 3 or 4 TMTs, due to my budget limit i took 6 fans that were in best conditions all the fans seem to come from the same building as each one was numbered.. i believe it could have been from an old mosque Union KMJ ceiling fan, late 70s... one of the motor bolts is missing as u may notice 2 TMT fans, they look like they are a bit newer than the green one and the one i got 2 years ago.. planning to sell them if anyone is interested 3 SMC K56 (KN56) from the late 70s.. i mentioned earlier about the ones i got that were dated 1966, apparently it was wrong in addition to many others i claimed to be early 70s, i always had doubts and confusion because of the building's date info i had in mind.. anyway, i admit i was wrong with the datings earlier.. those in the previous page are actually dated 1976, not 1966.. notice these have thinner downrods than the 1976 model 70s and 80s SMCs the next day i returned to the same scrapyard to get more of those SMCs... however, they were all gone thanks god i saved these 6 fans from being scrapped!!! the second batch SMC K56 (november 1983) Moon ceiling fan, probably a CEC relabel or clone.. the scrapper warned me not to buy it as it is damaged.. i took the risk and bought it, it apparently appeared to be damaged, having some serious current leakage.. revival is very hard, it may need to be partially rewinded since some gasket is seriously broken... i won't scrap this fan, i will try to get it back to operating this fan looks identical to the CEC fans i have.. just with minor differences such as screws, blade screw length, motor suspension has minor differences...
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Post by Cole S. on Mar 15, 2013 20:28:28 GMT -5
Sooo many SMCs! More really great saves, all very solid fans.
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Post by Jean Lemieux on Mar 17, 2013 0:08:00 GMT -5
Dan that was wondering they they ever was some pointed shaped Hong Kong made fans in United Arab Emirates, you just found one!
Good job on the SMC blade restoration.
I would love a TMT. The shipping would be very expansive I suppose and it might be difficult to make it work right on 120V - 60Hz.
Oh! So these SMC's are not from the 1960's. We can see that the motors are particularly thicker, there's an actual ring around the motor and the canopies are different. Wilcorp imported some of these as early as 1965. The ones around have are just like these except that the lower canopy is different. It's made of metal, it has a less rounded shape and there is a blue SMC flag printed on it. They are clearly pre 1977 but I would not be surprised if they are from the mid to late 1960's. Check out the thread Mike K recently created about one of this he found at his job.
The other ones that you claimed to be early 1970's in the farm in Dhaid with the rounded lower canopy did look too new to be that old. They look to be the same age as the one from novembre 1983.
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Post by Tais on Mar 17, 2013 15:48:35 GMT -5
Dan that was wondering they they ever was some pointed shaped Hong Kong made fans in United Arab Emirates, you just found one! Good job on the SMC blade restoration. I would love a TMT. The shipping would be very expansive I suppose and it might be difficult to make it work right on 120V - 60Hz. Oh! So these SMC's are not from the 1960's. We can see that the motors are particularly thicker, there's an actual ring around the motor and the canopies are different. Wilcorp imported some of these as early as 1965. The ones around have are just like these except that the lower canopy is different. It's made of metal, it has a less rounded shape and there is a blue SMC flag printed on it. They are clearly pre 1977 but I would not be surprised if they are from the mid to late 1960's. Check out the thread Mike K recently created about one of this he found at his job. The other ones that you claimed to be early 1970's in the farm in Dhaid with the rounded lower canopy did look too new to be that old. They look to be the same age as the one from novembre 1983. when i first saw the pointed one, i immediately remembered dan! that motor was hidden inside the rubble and i was standing on it all the time not noticing it lol.. i remember when talking to someone about fans, he told me there were SMCs that had metal canopies around here.. i hope i find at least one complete set some day,.. ya those SMCs have actual rings, that's one thing i also really like about the fan These 2 TMTs are compatible with both 50 and 60 Hz according to the motor label, the green one and the one i got before are not
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Post by Tais on Apr 9, 2013 16:28:15 GMT -5
not many fans this time but got many major updates! first i will start with the recent findings: SMC K56 (April 1978) this fan was filthy and abused when first obtained, the motor grip's thick iron got scrapped off sue to overusage, unlike the mid sized K56 motors, this one had a different winding structure and a very high quality insulating gasket.. besides all the abuse, this fan works as if nothing has happened! notice the capacitor, looks exactly like the TMT and SMC fans from 1976 i believe that the mid sized SMC motors began in 1978 canopies are spares SMC K56 (May 1999) the first actual curvy bladed chinese made K56 i obtained, i was surprised that it had the double piece lower canopy just like the early 90s ones, the normal late 90s ones have a single piece canopy the curved blade is slightly different than the 80s ones but makes it look the same, this one is exactly same as the one advertised in the official SMC website the motor is almost locked due to rain, i took this fan along with the 3 below just right after the rain ended SMC Union like fan (probably 60s) this fan turns out to be older than the brown one i obtained via dubizzle since it had bolts that cannot be screwed except by a spanner or wrench and there are minor differences in the lower ring of the fan... the fan is ABUSED up to the point its color is different and some cables have its shell cut.. i didn't notice there was a crack until i brought it back home and removed the blades... even if there is a crack, a putty or welding can solve it the logo was barely showing on the plate, it looks very different from what SMC logos we know.. the logo was a bent rectangle written S.M.C where the S and C were more like squares i will try to copy it some day and post it, snapping will be hard CEC 36" industrial my 3rd 36" ceiling fan... this fan is seriously the filthiest ceiling fan i ever obtained! it was covered with a thick layer of kitchen tar, and another thick layer under a paint coating... YUCK!!! i spent hours removing the dirts only from the blades by dipping them in concentrated detergent solution, scraping them repeatedly and finally dipping it in a drain cleaner solution... sludges were forming due to excessive scraping... canopy was also a pain to clean but i placed it along with the blades in the drain cleaner solution... the blades after heavy cleaning, it has been tarnished by the drain cleaner as that reacts with aluminum... there are still some dirt remaining but way much less than when i first got it SMC K56 (1983-1985) i took this fan showing that the readings i had on my multimeter showed that it works properly, but however the fan turned out to be completely damaged and its gasket completely gone... i will keep the blades for one of my 70s SMCs and many other parts as spare, as for the motor i may either transplant with another motor or exchange for scrap and finally spare relite canopies and downrod besides that, i've been spending time bending back bent blades, for some it is much harder than expected especially for curved aluminum blades and the bendy iron blades they are all awaiting for painting i've even fabricated some blades: roopa (design is completely my design, i have no idea how the original one looks like) Rajay blades, i tried my best to design blades similar to weatherite blades.. this is the result MEC blades: they are quite different from the original straight bladedesign but i tend to like this version more i also fabricated blades for the early 80s CG high breeze the early 80s CG high breeze popped when operating and stopped working, i replaced all the wiring and reconnected them to the winding, some main winding cable were not working so i decided to short some winding areas and connect the cable... the white cable u see is actually connected to the winding next to it, i placed it there just to keep in place and added varnish to stick in place... the pink cable is the neutral and the brown one is for the inner winding the cable structure u will see looks like it is randomly attached, but in reality i connected it in the same way as how it used to be
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Post by Cole S. on Apr 9, 2013 19:48:30 GMT -5
All those fabricated blades are spectacular, as are all the ones you've bent back! I love watching this progress. I really like the filthy 36" CEC you got this time, glad it's cleaning up a bit.
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Post by Tais on Apr 12, 2013 15:12:41 GMT -5
2 interesting finds this week on thursday: this is definately a SMC K56 industrial right? check the brand name out! it's TMK! i really like how this fan is an absolute clone of early 80s/ late 70s SMC K56, the only thing different is the lower canopy, capacitor and motor suspension, the canopy has no SMC logo (or TMK logo) and the capacitor is a bulky rectangle.. the motor itself is around 1.5 kilos heavier than the late 70s/early 80s motor weighing around 8.5 kgs as compared to 7 kgs motor, the motor structure is much more like late 70s/early 80s SMC upper canopy is one of my spare SMC canopies and secondly, a relite fan dated december 1987.. by obtaining this, i get to know that relite has changed their fan motor structure in late 1987 by removing the blue upper cap and making it faster.. i've seen a relite/airmaster made in july 1987 which was exactly like the older ones
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2013 23:42:29 GMT -5
Didnt they make airmasters in different colors? I mean, the white parts always white, but I've seen the blue part also yellow, green, and pink/red.
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Post by Tais on Apr 13, 2013 1:10:50 GMT -5
Didnt they make airmasters in different colors? I mean, the white parts always white, but I've seen the blue part also yellow, green, and pink/red. the older version had blue upper covers and white downrods and the newer version had white upper covers and bluish downrods, if there were any other colors, i have no idea about it since i haven't seen any other than blue.. the yellow bladed ones i have were actually yellowed over time, not its original color, i've seen early relites with slightly yellowed blue blades, rendering it a bit greenish
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Post by Jean Lemieux on Apr 13, 2013 2:00:50 GMT -5
The small CEC is very cute. I'm glad you were able to get the blades back to their original shape.
It's cool that you found some spare Relite canopies and a downrod because I believe you have a few of these that are missing their canopies or have broken ones.
Bravo for the fabricated metal blades! They look like real ones. How do you cut them, make their shape perfect without being sharp to touche and create the pitch for the straight ones?
The last fan is definitely made by SMC. I've seen a lot of these in N'Djamena labeled Mazda. The usually had the same control that New Fan/Golden Fan have.
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