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Post by Noah C on Apr 18, 2020 7:54:48 GMT -5
In my area, Fascos are completely nonexistent; you won't see one in person. Casablancas are slightly more common than Emerson's out this way, but neither are especially popular. EVERYBODY here has Hunter fans. The new K55 Eco is only in Emerson's new Premium and Crown Select models right now. Other DC motor Emersons don't have the rubber flywheel or what seems to be a stack-motor design, but fun fact: the Penbrooke Select Eco uses an isolation ring on its DC motor to make the blade brackets (originally designed with American standard hole spacing for the flywheel of the K55 version) fit. If you've seen any of my early posts here on VCF you'd know I really used to dig those mid-century fan designs that were popularized in the '90s. I still like those but a lot of these newer industrial/chic/ultramodern designs have really grown on me. Fanimation's FK2100 is still around because they got the current draw down to around .7 amps and 85 watts. Their classic Islander looks better and probably sells more than the DC Islanders they used to have, even though the DC was way torquier and handled that 20° pitch and load far better than the FK2100 did. Yeah, it's always best when you look at what fans fit where before considering stack vs spinner vs skeletal vs DC motors and whatnot. Passport IIIs would make for a nice bedroom fan; I personally would go for Paramount XPs since they look so similar and they're a steal for $69. How much are the Passport IIIs? Fascos here are getting pretty uncommon but I still see them in real estate listings. I wish I had been older when my neighbors got rid of old Emersons and Fascos. The Passport III I last saw at Habitat was $20. There's been a white one in an antique shop for years but I never saw a price on it. Take this thread with a grain of salt, I've just been daydreaming of a house someday. This virus has been hard for us all, but while I haven't been personally affected physically, it's led to some very dark times for me mentally I'm fighting to get out of, and I need something to escape that, so ceiling fans is part of it. I really miss going to Habitat and sales on the weekend, and I really hope we get that back eventually! I generally am not a ceiling fan collector since I don't have many extra spaces for installs. Up to now I have an antique brass ventless hugger with stencil blades and schoolhouse globe, my parents got me that in 1991. It's in storage for years since we moved. I also have a Hunter Passport II white motor only. That's it, the rest were installed. I had a 42" SMC Grayton but that went to Will H long ago. Then last year I got interested in the outgoing Casas and purchased the XLP with oblong blades following Dano, and got a used Delta II in white. I've been thinking of how I'd use those in a house. I planned to get a Paramount XP but never did, I may later. I'm also interested in those bronze XLPs you posted with the light kits. I love the look of those. I even thought of getting one for my room now to replace the noisy Fasco I have up. I need more light and while I don't feel entirely sold on future issues with the in wall remote it and my brushed nickel one have, it would get me a light and fan in my room switched from the wall without having to run another wire. There's also a very cute Lady Delta on there now that is tempting. I figure if I ever get a house (who knows with the way it is now) I'd do this: Living room: Casablanca Panama XLP with oblong blades brushed nickel OR Casablanca Panama XLP bronze with light Kitchen: Casablanca Delta II in white Master Bedroom: Fasco Great Room in white or Hunter Paramount XP If master walk in closet: Casablanca Lady Delta in white Guest room or rooms: Hunter Passport III in antique brass or white I kinda remember when the uplights came out on the Emersons around that time. At least you have a Fasco, and a Great Room at that. BIIIIIG 1.4 amp motor. I noticed yours looks to have stubbier blades than a normal Great Room; did you replace the blades on it ever? It looks between 48" and 52" instead of 56". If it's only $20 then Passport III it would be for me. The filigree design was very cool for a fan of that era, plus the AirMax motor. Yeah, this virus is tough. About the best part of quarantine for me thus far was finding out that Dan Neuman has been discharged from the hospital and is winning his battle with COVID-19; best wishes to him and his family. I'm not a fancollector either, so I can definitely relate. Whenever I progress along in life enough to have a house I can truly customize to my liking, I will definitely own fans that are childhood for me or are something I would want to wake up and see in my space everyday. But I probably still won't be a full blown collector, because I personally cannot be at peace with myself with clutter around me. But that's just me. I think that unless you know for certain where you are going to install those bronze Panamas were you to buy any of them, I'd suggest not buying them right now. I mean, $260 ain't exactly cheap. Making a spring for a Paramount XP at $69 wouldn't be a bad decision though. In all honesty though, if I had to choose between those and the Fasco for my bedroom, I'd probably choose the Fasco just because sometimes I want a tornado in my room. What type of noise is your Fasco making? If you were to buy the Panamas you'd have to buy a wiring harness for a pull chain Casablanca and hardwire the 10uf start cap in place of the 4.5uf they give you. Honestly the in-wall remote isn't a problematic control in and of itself; the problem comes in because the fan requires a reverse module in place of a switch to be reversed by the control...and you've seen me talk about that enough times to know that reverse modules suck. Pretty stacked setup you've lined up. Only thing I personally would change would be the Delta II in the kitchen, but then again I'm not used to having a fan in my kitchen. I will advise you to invest in some plastic blades when or if that time ever comes, because wood blades and kitchens aren't a great mix. As of 2020, the Penbrooke and the Premium/Crown will both be going to the "Premium K55 EcoMotor" which has a flywheel. You can't beat the Emerson DC EcoMotor when it comes to airflow, I love my Midway DC Eco. Nope, just the Crown and Premium according to the 2020 catalog. I mentioned this in my second post on this thread, but the Penbrooke Eco has a DC motor with an isolation ring, not a flywheel. It's their regular,spinner EcoMotor, the same one in the Carrera Grande and the Avant. Like I also said, the isolation ring was used to make the Penbrooke's blade irons (carryovers from the K55 model; drilled for American standard hole spacing used on the K55's flywheel) fit on the EcoMotor (drilled for Import standard hole spacing).
Emerson's DC motor is torquey as they all are, but the Midway's is detuned to draw only 20 watts of current. Performance from them is great; bout the same as the Windward II. I wish Emerson would've gone for their usual 35 watt power draw, then they'd have an industrial beater.
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Post by Cole D on Apr 18, 2020 8:38:44 GMT -5
The Great Room is a wonderful fan. I got it at a roadside place an older man and woman used to run, basically a perpetual yard sale. I noticed it from afar and knew it was something worth getting. There was an AB fan there also with a stack motor I wish I had gotten, I think an Emerson Premium. That one had blades, but the Fasco did not, but I got it anyway. The blades are just particleboard 52" Westinghouse branded replacement blades you get at Home Depot. I think it looks pretty good and probably helps the flywheel vs heavier 56" wood blades. The flywheel seems to be in good shape. The noise it makes is a constant raspy sound. It is easier to hear at night, when everything is quiet. The bearings probably just need changing, but when I put up the fan back in 2008 I didn't have the expertise to do it. I may be able to figure it out now, but just never got to it. That's great news that Dan got out of the hospital. I had not heard that. Yeah, this sucks, my big fear is how long and bad we have to go through this until we get a way out with treatment, vaccine, or failing those, it eventually subsidies on its own. Here in FL a lot of houses have kitchen fans, I don't see any having problems, but I've never had one myself. In 1980s houses a lot of those have metal blades, possibly due to the issues you mention. My bigger concern would be putting a non-damp rated fan in the bathroom with lots of steam, more opportunities for rust and blade sagging. I also saw these Casablanca Hollistons on eBay. They are new returns for $250, the seller also has some non-return ones for $350 and some DC ones with remote for cheaper. I'm not familiar with the Holliston model but it says it has an uplight, an XLP Plus motor which also don't know much about and 6 speed IntelliTouch control included. www.ebay.com/itm/Casablanca-60-Holliston-Bullion-Black-Intelli-Touch-Uplight-Ceiling-Fan/132633197431Ceiling fans take a lot of space in storage and cannot be displayed unless you have a large area to hang them. Portables are easier to display and run in less space so that's what I collect. I have way too much clutter. lol
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Post by Noah C on Apr 18, 2020 20:52:00 GMT -5
The Great Room is a wonderful fan. I got it at a roadside place an older man and woman used to run, basically a perpetual yard sale. I noticed it from afar and knew it was something worth getting. There was an AB fan there also with a stack motor I wish I had gotten, I think an Emerson Premium. That one had blades, but the Fasco did not, but I got it anyway. The blades are just particleboard 52" Westinghouse branded replacement blades you get at Home Depot. I think it looks pretty good and probably helps the flywheel vs heavier 56" wood blades. The flywheel seems to be in good shape. The noise it makes is a constant raspy sound. It is easier to hear at night, when everything is quiet. The bearings probably just need changing, but when I put up the fan back in 2008 I didn't have the expertise to do it. I may be able to figure it out now, but just never got to it. That's great news that Dan got out of the hospital. I had not heard that. Yeah, this sucks, my big fear is how long and bad we have to go through this until we get a way out with treatment, vaccine, or failing those, it eventually subsidies on its own. Here in FL a lot of houses have kitchen fans, I don't see any having problems, but I've never had one myself. In 1980s houses a lot of those have metal blades, possibly due to the issues you mention. My bigger concern would be putting a non-damp rated fan in the bathroom with lots of steam, more opportunities for rust and blade sagging. I also saw these Casablanca Hollistons on eBay. They are new returns for $250, the seller also has some non-return ones for $350 and some DC ones with remote for cheaper. I'm not familiar with the Holliston model but it says it has an uplight, an XLP Plus motor which also don't know much about and 6 speed IntelliTouch control included. www.ebay.com/itm/Casablanca-60-Holliston-Bullion-Black-Intelli-Touch-Uplight-Ceiling-Fan/132633197431Ceiling fans take a lot of space in storage and cannot be displayed unless you have a large area to hang them. Portables are easier to display and run in less space so that's what I collect. I have way too much clutter. lol Of course it's a wonderful fan, lol A yard sale that never ends? Sounds interesting. You should totally have picked up the other stack motor fan. A standard set of Westinghouse blades for a 52" span, on those super stubby brackets, makes a 48" fan. Looks a little awkward proportionally but I dig that chunky look the fan has at this size. With that huge 1.4 amp motor and a pretty modest 13° pitch, that has to do close to 300 RPM full speed. Raspy, you say? Sounds like bearing issues. Hand-spin the fan to see if that noise can be recreated. Also check the dropped flywheel area to see if anything is rubbing against the shaft. If the noise can be reproduced and there's nothing rubbing anywhere, then you know it's the bearings. You can try to work some WD40 up the driveshaft of the motor and see if that works. If all else fails: remove the bolts holding the motor together, pry it apart, and pry the bearings off the shaft. Indeed it is great news. You never know the danger of the beast until you experience it first-hand; even with Dan taking proper social distancing and sanitation protocols seriously, he still fell severely ill. I believe that a reduction in the rate of daily new case occurrences will occur in about a month or two, which means I am doubtful that things will get better in the next two to three months. I've simply learned to reallocate my attentions to what I am thankful for in life, as opposed to freaking myself out watching news channels report on COVID-19 as if nothing else is going on in the world worth talking about. Opposite folks live on opposite coasts. I'm in Cali; kitchen fans are extremely uncommon here. Many houses lack any accomodations for ceiling fans in any spot in a kitchen that would make sense. Metal-bladed fans were extremely common for kitchen use throughout the '80s because 1/3" thick miniature wooden boards + kitchen steam and grease and heat = S A G. This was likely part of the reason why OEMs like Golden Fan Electric, Evergo, TAT, Union, Commamder Electric Corporation, etc. were as successful as they were when kitchen fans were an extremely hot fad. Folks liked using those spinners and whatnot in their kitchens. Needless to say, if you install any fan in a future kitchen of yours, make sure the blades are anything but wood, except MDF. The humidity is even worse in a bathroom, so don't use any less than a damp-rated fan. I personally would use a wet-rated and water-resistantfan in that location to eliminate any chance of putting a wooden-blade fan in a bathroom. Casablanca Hollistons are good fans. The XLP ones are interesting for sure, with the included uplights and huge XLP motors. The XLP Plus has a 38mm stack height(compared to 28mm on standard XLPs) and is rated for 1.05 amps (versus .9 amps on standard XLPs). Hollistons used an ordinary 4/5 blade rubber flywheel. Despite the beefier motor, the Holliston's performance was pretty average for its size because Casa didn't let it draw the 1.4 or 1.5 amps a motor that size, with that load, should be engineered to be capable of. 60" span with 15° blade pitch running at a max speed of around 125 RPM...pretty good but not great. Personally, I'd still get one just to find a smaller blade set to use/make work with the fan, to get real performance out of it. The DC Hollistons are definitely better than the XLP ones performance wise. The DC motor is torquier and more conducive for ceiling fans with steep blade pitch, and the DC Hollistons are faster. I'd still get an XLP version if any because I don't trust problematic early versions of the off-the-shelf DC motors many manufacturers use. That's relatable. I love portables but I personally just can't with having a bunch of those; my mind would want to get rid of every last one of them if I had a collection. I would, however, be open to utilizing portable fans wherever they are helpful to the setting they are in or add class to the space (especially if they are restored antiques). At least with ceiling fans, I usually can hang them somewhere and appreciate them there. But too many of those would make me insane too. That's just my own issue, having spent the formative years of my life living in a household with an obsessive/compulsive hoarder.
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Post by Cole D on Apr 19, 2020 10:01:53 GMT -5
Thanks for the information, I'll look into it someday. If I get my own place, it will either stay up here in my old room until I get to it or if I bring it, I'll likely refurbish it before I rehang it. Wait, so you think the virus infection rates will decrease, but you don't see things getting better in the next few months? I would think the opposite would be true if infections are decreasing. My fear is a second wave coming in the fall, like that 1918 Pandemic. At the AFCA a lot of people are still planning to go forward with meets and Fanfair, pushed back later in the summer or fall, but I don't see it happening. Most all public events that draw crowds are cancelled for the rest of the year. Some concerts have been rescheduled for late summer but I think these are also just hopeful dates that will not happen. My hope is by next year we will have treatments and/or some preventives in place or at the very least a good system in place to make the virus have less of an effect on public meetings, even though we won't have a vaccine yet. I've largely stopped watching the news as well, it's about all they talk about for two months now. I've also stopped reading discussions about it on other forums, there's a lot of pessimism out there and talk as if this will be the end of the world and never go away. That lead to a lot of darkness for me, I don't need all that. The Holliston being 60" I believe must have a very large housing because in pictures it looks like a 56" fan or so. It would likely be too large for any of my future needs. The XLP Plus motor sounds similar to the one in the Fasco Great Room while the XLP-2000 I see being like that in the Fasco Charleston, Porch Fan, Savannah, etc. It does have a chunky look to it but I don't mind it. Some pictures of the Paramount XP have a similar look where the motor housing looks very thick while the blades seem shorter, but I like the look myself. One of my neighbors has a Great Room in their master bathroom. The bedroom had one too, but it was replaced 10 years ago. I'm still kicking myself because I saw it disassembled in a box at the curb, was going to grab it later, but someone beat me to it. Probably needed a flywheel, so I bet whoever got it threw it away because they wouldn't figure out the problem was simple. Years ago there used to be lots of great fans in the trash on my street: that same house had two Fasco Rain Safes from the patio, their neighbor threw out an Emerson Blender, house next to that tossed an 1895, etc. I was too young back then to have them, and now there's not much left worth getting on my street if it was to ever get put out for trash.
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Post by Noah C on Apr 19, 2020 20:49:41 GMT -5
Thanks for the information, I'll look into it someday. If I get my own place, it will either stay up here in my old room until I get to it or if I bring it, I'll likely refurbish it before I rehang it. Wait, so you think the virus infection rates will decrease, but you don't see things getting better in the next few months? I would think the opposite would be true if infections are decreasing. My fear is a second wave coming in the fall, like that 1918 Pandemic. At the AFCA a lot of people are still planning to go forward with meets and Fanfair, pushed back later in the summer or fall, but I don't see it happening. Most all public events that draw crowds are cancelled for the rest of the year. Some concerts have been rescheduled for late summer but I think these are also just hopeful dates that will not happen. My hope is by next year we will have treatments and/or some preventives in place or at the very least a good system in place to make the virus have less of an effect on public meetings, even though we won't have a vaccine yet. The Holliston being 60" I believe must have a very large housing because in pictures it looks like a 56" fan or so. It would likely be too large for any of my future needs. The XLP Plus motor sounds similar to the one in the Fasco Great Room while the XLP-2000 I see being like that in the Fasco Charleston, Porch Fan, Savannah, etc. It does have a chunky look to it but I don't mind it. Some pictures of the Paramount XP have a similar look where the motor housing looks very thick while the blades seem shorter, but I like the look myself. One of my neighbors has a Great Room in their master bathroom. The bedroom had one too, but it was replaced 10 years ago. I'm still kicking myself because I saw it disassembled in a box at the curb, was going to grab it later, but someone beat me to it. Probably needed a flywheel, so I bet whoever got it threw it away because they wouldn't figure out the problem was simple. Years ago there used to be lots of great fans in the trash on my street: that same house had two Fasco Rain Safes from the patio, their neighbor threw out an Emerson Blender, house next to that tossed an 1895, etc. I was too young back then to have them, and now there's not much left worth getting on my street if it was to ever get put out for trash. There's no way I'd consider leaving a Great Room behind if I were you. You should most definitely refurbish it if you find your own home. Basically what I'm saying is that I believe that the amount by which the number of new infections increases daily will start to decrease in the next month or two. For example, say we had 100,000 confirmed cases on Day 0, 100,500 confirmed cases on Day 1, and 100,900 confirmed cases on Day 2. Even though the number of confirmed cases is increasing everyday (it'll increase until it doesn't), the amount by which those numbers increased went from 500 between days 0 and 1 down to 400 between days 1 and 2. This is what I'm talking about. However I don't think things will get better for a while from a socio-economic standpoint because of exactly what you mentioned. The stats on COVID-19 are pointing to things finally taking a turn for the better around midsummer. But healthcare professionals and state governments know that all that progress in putting this outbreak in check can be erased in short order if jobs, social meetings, and places of mass congregation are reopened before the coast is completely clear. And they're all very aware of the possibility of a second wave outbreak in the fall, even if we all practice proper social distancing protocols. Basically, even if things directly related to the outbreak get better, the economy and society at large are still going to be very much shut down. I hope tentative treatments become more plentiful as well, but there is no chance in hell of a vaccine coming out before late next year. The Holliston does have a large motor housing but trust me, it looks far more disproportionate in the computer render than it does on video or in person; they're really nice looking fans. Honestly it wouldn't look bad as long as it was 56" or bigger. The XLP-2000 is a bit more powerful than the .9 amp motor Fasco used in the Charleston American Spirit, Gillespie, etc, but the XLP-Plus is a little weaker than the 1.4 amp motor in your Great Room. It's about the same performance as the 1.1 amp motor Fasco used in the Olde South and World's Fair. Even though it sucks not being aware of the value those fans would add to your "collection", I think it's just cool you live in a place where people put their ceiling fans out for garbage. Every house on my block save for mine is filled with '90s or 2000s Hunters and Hampton Bays; nobody would have anything good to toss anyway. Average consumers don't have the value for these fans that we do, so they won't think twice about junking something that may be in perfect working order because one simple-fix component broke, only to replace it with a blasted home store Hunter. The great rooms got replaced because FASCO flywheels are notorious for being total crap.
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