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Post by Jordan U on Oct 4, 2016 10:25:43 GMT -5
Very neat.. The blades are a nice finish..
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Post by Cole S. on Oct 4, 2016 19:47:20 GMT -5
That fan still looks amazing! What does the board look like on these? Looks very much like early IT boards. Basically the same black plastic bracket, similar BFR.
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Post by Cole S. on Oct 7, 2016 21:09:48 GMT -5
Wanted to put this in the 2016 thread, even though you won't see what I'm doing with it likely until well into 2017. Bought this Matthews/Atlas Kaye for an actual upcoming purpose/install, got some discounts so while it was expensive, I saved about 20%. Expense really wasn't the issue here, the size and mounting options were the key factors. Can't wait for you to see the result!
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Post by fancollector12 on Oct 8, 2016 1:51:21 GMT -5
Neat! Joe's Crab Shack had a ton of them in nickel with the 4-speed slider and oscillation control mounted right underneath each one... but they never got used much until they went out of business and a local restaurant bought them out, and begun to use them.
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Post by Cole S. on Oct 10, 2016 16:38:30 GMT -5
It's #CASABLANCAWEEK on my YouTube channel, that means videos of newer Casablanca products throughout the week which I will be posting here too, the first of which will be below. That being said, I already know the comments you're going to post. I know you hate the new canopies, switch housings, blade arms, blah blah blah, yada yada yada. No need to tell me for the 472nd time. So I'm issuing you a challenge. If you're going to comment, try to find something you LIKE about the fan. It can be the absolute tiniest most minuscule detail, whatever. I'm tired of reading over the same comments every time a new Casablanca comes up. Yes, you can have an opinion, but I'd like to hear a different perspective. So to move right into it, the first fan is a non-XLP Panama Control, 52" snow white. Even though I've asked you to subdue certain comments, you are entitled to your own opinion when it comes to the appearance. That's fine, I know it's not for everybody. Build quality-wise, yeah it's not as much cast metal, but neither is a lot of the other quality stuff on the market. Fanimation has stamped fans. Emerson has stamped fans. This fan still has a cast faceplate (and switch cap), let's move past that. I think in the end when it comes to Hunter, performance is the true key since they've been putting out underpowered 52"+ fans for years. As I said with the Concentra, this is not one of those Hunter fans. Casablanca is far superior when it comes to optimization for performance. Not to entirely talk Hunter down, I think their super high-end spinner models are probably more comparable than the typical home center models, but there are some clear differences. The Casablancas may look like Hunter fans, but they are not the same. This thing kicks out insane air with zero noise, definitely comparable to XLP by human standards if not noticeably better. In the end, again I'm not unimpressed. Say what you like any other time, but truth is it's still a pretty good fan.
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Post by Brian L. on Oct 10, 2016 17:31:01 GMT -5
Very nice Panama you got! I would agree that the fan is decent that what I was expecting it to be. The only things I would change: Less-watered down Brackets, Switch cap Change, and the iconic Hang-Tru.
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Post by Noah C on Oct 10, 2016 18:01:02 GMT -5
It's #CASABLANCAWEEK on my YouTube channel, that means videos of newer Casablanca products throughout the week which I will be posting here too, the first of which will be below. That being said, I already know the comments you're going to post. I know you hate the new canopies, switch housings, blade arms, blah blah blah, yada yada yada. No need to tell me for the 472nd time. So I'm issuing you a challenge. If you're going to comment, try to find something you LIKE about the fan. It can be the absolute tiniest most minuscule detail, whatever. I'm tired of reading over the same comments every time a new Casablanca comes up. Yes, you can have an opinion, but I'd like to hear a different perspective. So to move right into it, the first fan is a non-XLP Panama Control, 52" snow white. Even though I've asked you to subdue certain comments, you are entitled to your own opinion when it comes to the appearance. That's fine, I know it's not for everybody. Build quality-wise, yeah it's not as much cast metal, but neither is a lot of the other quality stuff on the market. Fanimation has stamped fans. Emerson has stamped fans. This fan still has a cast faceplate (and switch cap), let's move past that. I think in the end when it comes to Hunter, performance is the true key since they've been putting out underpowered 52"+ fans for years. As I said with the Concentra, this is not one of those Hunter fans. Casablanca is far superior when it comes to optimization for performance. Not to entirely talk Hunter down, I think their super high-end spinner models are probably more comparable than the typical home center models, but there are some clear differences. The Casablancas may look like Hunter fans, but they are not the same. This thing kicks out insane air with zero noise, definitely comparable to XLP by human standards if not noticeably better. In the end, again I'm not unimpressed. Say what you like any other time, but truth is it's still a pretty good fan. Not as much stamped metal? Fine by me. Most fans that we associate with higher quality that use die cast metal use zinc, NOT including modern fan co. Fans, of which most of them use thick die castings of aluminum. Many fans of quality nowadays are made of stamped metal. Why? Most higher quality stamped metal fans use heavy-gauge stamped steel, like the modern fan co. Industry, for example, or probably even the upper echelon casablanca's, like this Panama (other than the faceplate and switch cap, like you mentioned). And steel>zinc in durability any day. So, while casting is associated with a higher quality product than stamping is, the material that is being stamped/cast and its gauge are more important. So, being that the stamped parts of this fan are heavy-gauge steel, most likely, this fan would offer no sacrifice in quality compared to its predominantly die-casts zinc predecessors.
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Post by fancollector12 on Oct 10, 2016 23:56:19 GMT -5
It's not a bad fan at all, I want one to see how it stacks up to my Panama in my bedroom.
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Post by Noah C on Oct 11, 2016 1:53:56 GMT -5
It's not a bad fan at all, I want one to see how it stacks up to my Panama in my bedroom. I think I can help, having experienced both in-showroom (and out): •Your Panama obviously looks better. • However, in person, the new fan looks very nice, easily just as good looking as any other high end traditional fan. •Your fan spins slightly slower on high than the 188×20mm Panama due to the 13° blade pitch instead of 15°, and the new XLP Panama spins the same speed as your fan, with its slightly steeper 15° blade pitch compared to the spinner-type model, identical to your fan. •Your fan moves a little bit less air than both, not too noticeable but there is a slight increase in airflow between your Panama and the new ones from what I could feel. About the same wind speed (MPH) due to the new panamas having an extra 2" of span and moving a little more air, so your fan is on equal footing here essentially. •Your Panama is just as well built as the new ones, which is to say, very good build quality, even though yours uses more die-casts parts. The new Panama, while using more stamped parts, is on equal footing because most of the stamped parts the fan trades the die-cast zinc parts it previously had for are heavy-gauge steel stampings. •The new Panama XLP has a 5-blade only flywheel and not a 4/5 blade one unfortunately. •The new control system is very well engineered, and is similar to inteli-touch, just being 4 speeds. However, Emerson's 6-speed control system for K55XL and DC motor fans is just as nice to use.
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Post by fancollector12 on Oct 11, 2016 2:25:13 GMT -5
Are you sure the new Panama XLP only has a 5-blade flywheel? All Casablancas generally use the same owners' manual (unless the fan is unique, like a Stealth, and needs special instructions) and the manual says to just attach the blades lightly to the motor, it doesn't say anything about a flywheel.
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Post by Noah C on Oct 11, 2016 19:40:02 GMT -5
Are you sure the new Panama XLP only has a 5-blade flywheel? All Casablancas generally use the same owners' manual (unless the fan is unique, like a Stealth, and needs special instructions) and the manual says to just attach the blades lightly to the motor, it doesn't say anything about a flywheel. A FanDiego salesman at their showroom compared the Panama II (your fan) to the new for 2014 Panama XLP model. He opened both boxes and I turned the fans over, and found that the XLP model's flywheel had been redesigned. The new flywheel for the Panama XLP is 5-blade only, and it is also narrower in diameter than the older, more conventional flywheel. If you haven't noticed in Cole's video, there is a noticeable gap between the inner rim of the faceplate and the blade irons/ flywheel, moreso than the Panama II and all panamas before 2013, because the new blade irons' screw covers taper in as you look farther up the screw cover, until the screw cover meets with the actual part that is attached to the motor. So, this suggests a narrower motor hole spacing for the new Panama compared to the old one, and confirms my reasoning for why the flywheel design is different and less conventional. Also, the new Panama really wouldn't look very good with 4 blades IMO.
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Post by fancollector12 on Oct 11, 2016 23:47:54 GMT -5
You should've taken some pictures.
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Post by Noah C on Oct 12, 2016 3:11:19 GMT -5
You should've taken some pictures. Remember, this happened a year and a half ago when I had a broken iPhone. Went through three of the damned things for the same problem. Also saying that I should have taken pictures of what I am talking about is a little too hypocritical considering that I've yet to see you provide a single picture of any fan you have spoken about in any of the sightings threads you have made/participated in on this forum among other threads, even when requested to. I'm just putting it out there, not for argument's sake, I just have to be honest here. Furthermore, it is up to your discretion as to whether or not you want to believe me in what I say/the information I provide, but just know that I am not in any way making anything up/purposely spreading false information, of which I usually correct when I find my mistakes in some way or another.
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Post by fancollector12 on Oct 12, 2016 3:16:58 GMT -5
I wasn't trying to be harsh, FYI, I just said I've never seen one so it would've been cool to just see what the new Panama XLP's look like up close... I do believe you since you saw it in person. Don't worry, we're cool.
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Post by Noah C on Oct 12, 2016 3:49:35 GMT -5
I wasn't trying to be harsh, FYI, I just said I've never seen one so it would've been cool to just see what the new Panama XLP's look like up close... I do believe you since you saw it in person. Don't worry, we're cool. I know you weren't trying to be harsh, and I didn't take it as such, but I just put that out of the way because A. What I said is the truth, and B. I'm cool with it but I felt like informing you of the hypocrisy of that statement was the right thing to do, so that another person on the forum you encounter doesn't get 0-10000 triggered if you reply with the same thing you did in your last post. And If I had been able to take pics I probably would've, but I didn't. If you compare pictures of the newer Panamas to the older version, like your own, and zero in on the very center of the fan where the blades are attached to the motor, you will see exactly what I'm talking about. This is the best I can do since I don't have pics, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
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