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Post by Jordan U on Dec 26, 2014 10:52:58 GMT -5
10/25 Canarm Ocean Breze atrocity: What an outrageous fan, crooked/curved however you want to describe it blades? Never seen anything like that before. I asume due to lack of remote, you weren't able to test it? I'd be interested to know how much air it moves, or doesn't move rather. The fact that it has a candalabra based fixture in it would be enough for me to toss it out. Additionally the 7.8 MM motor, so its not even a CM thick? Oh dear...
Fan 2, 42" Canarm: While I probably would have liked it better in brass, the new color actually looks pretty classy for a cheaper fan. I'm sure this will be more appealing to most people than the brass was.
Fan 3, Heritage Alexis: Do most/all residential fans in Canada have safety cables? Here in the US, I've never come across a residential fan with one.
Fan 4, Heritage Alliance: We used to have a very similar looking fan at our last house, it came from WalMart so it very well could have been a Heritage. I remember it was really an atrocious unit. Did you make a video of this one?
Fan 5, Kendall lighting: While common, I definitely like this unit, especially the light shades. The white filigree on the side should be brass in my opinion. I have never seen such a dirty motor before!
11/1 Fan 1 Hampton Bay: I'm pretty sure we have these here in the US as well, don't care for them much. I'm not overly surprised about the motor size not living up to its claims, I wonder if the CFM rating is also wrong. I can see why you think it looks nice, and I agree, but its not my style.
Fan 2, SMC: I really like these fans, but not in blue! I would have painted the brackets white instead. The blue gives it a too modern look.
Fan 3, Sidewinder: This is actually the first time I've seen one of these units outside the fan catalogs. The blades look metal, but I assume they're just typical MDF? Definitely a decent motor, what company produced it and what's the CFM rating? Nice corny joke...
11/13 This is definitely an improvement in displaying the fans. The Lowes in my area used to run some of their fans on display, I think in some stores they actually still do, and it adds a lot.
Fan 1, Flourentine: This is way different from the current HB Flourentine with the three clear blades. Do you have a video of previous models of this you've recieved? I like the fan a lot, it resembles an early Grayton with more blades. Based on the brackets, I assume its also SMC made?
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Post by Max C. on Dec 27, 2014 15:51:38 GMT -5
10/25 Canarm Ocean Breze atrocity: What an outrageous fan, crooked/curved however you want to describe it blades? Never seen anything like that before. I assume due to lack of remote, you weren't able to test it? I'd be interested to know how much air it moves, or doesn't move rather. The fact that it has a candelabra based fixture in it would be enough for me to toss it out. Additionally the 7.8 MM motor, so its not even a CM thick? Oh dear... I'd say it's probably one of the ugliest fans I've ever looked at! I technically could have tested it without the remote, however I didn't bother. One 60-watt candelabra bulb barely lights up a closet, so I don't know how Canarm though it was enough for a 144 FT room. The motor is just plain awful. Even the Canarm Carla was better than this. Fan 2, 42" Canarm: While I probably would have liked it better in brass, the new color actually looks pretty classy for a cheaper fan. I'm sure this will be more appealing to most people than the brass was. I feel that it turned out pretty nicely. Although the BDF-FA42 was a "value-oriented" model, it wasn't actually that cheap. It's certainly a 1000X better than the "Ocean Breze." Fan 3, Heritage Alexis: Do most/all residential fans in Canada have safety cables? Here in the US, I've never come across a residential fan with one. Most post-1986 fans have one. Are you 100% sure you've never seen a residential fan in the US with a safety cable? Every new Hampton Bay and Hunter comes with one... Fan 4, Heritage Alliance: We used to have a very similar looking fan at our last house, it came from WalMart so it very well could have been a Heritage. I remember it was really an atrocious unit. Did you make a video of this one? Yours would have probably been a Litex instead of a Heritage. I didn't bother making a video. Fan 5, Kendall lighting: While common, I definitely like this unit, especially the light shades. The white filigree on the side should be brass in my opinion. I have never seen such a dirty motor before! First if all, loose the exta "L" bro Secondly, while I do agree the white and polished brass accents weren't divided very evenly, I don't feel the problem is with the sideband. A white canopy would have looked good instead of the included polished brass one. 11/1 Fan 1 Hampton Bay: I'm pretty sure we have these here in the US as well, don't care for them much. I'm not overly surprised about the motor size not living up to its claims, I wonder if the CFM rating is also wrong. I can see why you think it looks nice, and I agree, but its not my style. Yup, those are sold in the US. In fact, they came to Canada afterwards. The CFM rating is probably accurate. Fan 2, SMC: I really like these fans, but not in blue! I would have painted the brackets white instead. The blue gives it a too modern look. I was thinking about painting it pink, yellow and brown instead. However after some careful consideration, I decided against that. Fan 3, Sidewinder: This is actually the first time I've seen one of these units outside the fan catalogs. The blades look metal, but I assume they're just typical MDF? Definitely a decent motor, what company produced it and what's the CFM rating? Nice corny joke... They're purely Special Order in the US. Here in Canada though, they are simply a regular item. The blades are actually plywood. The Sidewinder is an Air Cool-made model, and it blows 5600 CFM according to Home Depot. With a bit of tweaking though, I could probably increase that to over 6000. 11/13 This is definitely an improvement in displaying the fans. The Lowes in my area used to run some of their fans on display, I think in some stores they actually still do, and it adds a lot. Thank Ray. I haven't seen any Lowes run fans, though I do know of a Home Depot not too far from me that runs a couple. Fan 1, Florentine: This is way different from the current HB Florentine with the three clear blades. Do you have a video of previous models of this you've received? I like the fan a lot, it resembles an early Grayton with more blades. Based on the brackets, I assume its also SMC made? Indeed! I do have a video below. It pretty much is a Grayton, except a slightly more upscale version. Yes, it is SMC-made.
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Post by Heath K. on Dec 27, 2014 15:59:19 GMT -5
what's up with the light when you turn it on that one light takes awhile to come on after the others
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Post by Max C. on Dec 27, 2014 16:04:30 GMT -5
What's up with the light when you turn it on that one light takes awhile to come on after the others? With older CFL bulbs, there is a delay between power and startup. I used different brands and ages of bulbs in the light kit, which is why they didn't all start instantaneously.
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Post by Heath K. on Dec 27, 2014 16:24:55 GMT -5
What's up with the light when you turn it on that one light takes awhile to come on after the others? With older CFL bulbs, there is a delay between power and startup. I used different brands and ages of bulbs in the light kit, which is why they didn't all start instantaneously. ahh ok
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Post by Jordan U on Dec 28, 2014 16:01:41 GMT -5
Most post-1986 fans have one. Are you 100% sure you've never seen a residential fan in the US with a safety cable? Every new Hampton Bay and Hunter comes with one... Yes, I am 100% sure that I've never seen a residential fan with a safety cable. Neither the Heritage Landcaster not the Hunter Summer Breeze nor the Northman spinner nor the Caribbean Breeze nor the Emerson Heat fan nor the Alaska hugger have a safety cable. Additionally, the four fans that I've bought brand new and installed such as the Casablanca Panama, Hunter Waldon, Hunter Beacon Hill, and the Hampton Bay Brookhurst did not have one either.Yours would have probably been a Litex instead of a Heritage. I didn't bother making a video. Since it came from WalMart and they sell Litex, this is very likely. I could see why you didn't make a video of it, but I would have watched it just to see it again. That fan got replaced by a Hampton Bay San Marino, which was a big improvement. First if all, loose the exta "L" bro Secondly, while I do agree the white and polished brass accents weren't divided very evenly, I don't feel the problem is with the sideband. A white canopy would have looked good instead of the included polished brass one. Listen 'bro', you're an "L". I was thinking about painting it pink, yellow and brown instead. However after some careful consideration, I decided against that. Oh my! What an atrocity that would have been. They're purely Special Order in the US. Here in Canada though, they are simply a regular item. The blades are actually plywood. The Sidewinder is an Air Cool-made model, and it blows 5600 CFM according to Home Depot. With a bit of tweaking though, I could probably increase that to over 6000. That's a disappointing air delivery rate, way less than I expected. With older CFL bulbs, there is a delay between power and startup. I used different brands and ages of bulbs in the light kit, which is why they didn't all start instantaneously. This is why those ridiculous lights should not be used.
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Post by Noah C on Dec 30, 2014 18:48:27 GMT -5
Max C The hampton bay sidewinder that you had is really a rebranded minka aire cobra with different blade brackets, which explains the high quality and 188x20mm motor. link to minka aire cobra ceiling fan www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001BQG146?vs=1
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Post by Jordan U on Dec 31, 2014 10:43:34 GMT -5
Max C The hampton bay sidewinder that you had is really a rebranded minka aire cobra with different blade brackets, which explains the high quality and 188x20mm motor. link to minka aire cobra ceiling fan www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001BQG146?vs=1Interesting that the CFM rate is exactly the same. They definitely look similar. This one has atrocious reviews though!
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Post by Noah C on Dec 31, 2014 18:13:46 GMT -5
Interesting that the CFM rate is exactly the same. They definitely look similar. This one has atrocious reviews though! They look similar because its the same exact fan, only the Hampton bay is rebranded from the minka, but the minka has horizontal blade badges, while its Hampton bay rebranded version has vertical blade badges. They are identical in every regard except for that, same cfm, same 188x20mm motor, same everything except the blade badges. They are both made by minka aire.
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Post by Max C. on Dec 31, 2014 21:28:56 GMT -5
Yes, I am 100% sure that I've never seen a residential fan with a safety cable. Neither the Heritage Lancaster not the Hunter Summer Breeze nor the Northman spinner nor the Caribbean Breeze nor the Emerson Heat fan nor the Alaska hugger have a safety cable. Additionally, the four fans that I've bought brand new and installed such as the Casablanca Panama, Hunter Waldon, Hunter Beacon Hill, and the Hampton Bay Brookhurst did not have one either.Wow, that is some serious text-formatting! I'm not surprised about the Emerson Heat Fan or the Caribbean Breeze, as fans of that age didn't include safety cables here in Canada either. Casablanca and Alaska both never used safety cables, regardless of age. The Hunter Beacon Hill not including a safety cable is odd though (at least for Canadian standards). Hunter fans of that age almost always had one here. Same goes with the Hampton Bay Brookhurst. Apparently, you guys down in the US were never technically required to use one though: www.lowes.com/pd_371567-29369-CANCAB72_0__?productId=3501364There are, however, a few residential fans that include one anyways: www.homedepot.com/catalog/pdfImages/ab/ab719eb9-aaf5-4995-96d9-d402d1d1a3a7.pdfwww.homedepot.com/catalog/pdfImages/b0/b09306e2-256f-4c0f-a5bb-831eee21ddae.pdffile:///C:/Users/Delmax/AppData/Local/Temp/Multimax%20OM.pdfwww.fanimation.com/support/download_pdf.html?media_id=2651www.kichler.com/media/documents/instruction_sheets/IS-300106-70-Monarch.pdfSince it came from WalMart and they sell Litex, this is very likely. I could see why you didn't make a video of it, but I would have watched it just to see it again. That fan got replaced by a Hampton Bay San Marino, which was a big improvement. Litex would make the most sense. Out of curiosity, which generation of San Marino did you get? Also, this is the fan you probably had: Listen 'bro', you're an "L". Are you implying something? Oh my! What an atrocity that would have been. Like I said, blue is quite nice That's a disappointing air delivery rate, way less than I expected. It all has to do with speed. The fan is only rated at 170, which isn't a lot for a 54" blade span. If Air Cool would have put a 5UF capacitor instead of a 4.5 though, the motor would have turned faster. Ultimately, you'd get a more powerful fan. This is why those ridiculous lights should not be used. Though they might not be the best incandescent replacement in the world, quality CFL bulbs can last for 25 years plus and save lots of energy.
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Post by Max C. on Dec 31, 2014 21:33:43 GMT -5
Max C The Hampton Bay Sidewinder that you had is really a rebranded Minka Aire Cobra with different blade brackets, which explains the high quality and 188x20mm motor. They look similar because its the same exact fan, only the Hampton Bay is rebranded from the Minka, but the Minka has horizontal blade badges, while its Hampton Bay rebranded version has vertical blade badges. They are identical in every regard except for that, same cfm, same 188x20mm motor, same everything except the blade badges. They are both made by Ainka Aire. Interesting observation! Looking at the two side-by-side, they appear almost identical. Minka Aire isn't a manufacturer per se, just a re-brander like Hampton Bay. The fan was made by Air Cool, however both companies put their unique name on it. Since Hampton Bay couldn't copy Minka Aire, they made slight changes to their version.
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Post by Jordan U on Jan 2, 2015 16:13:56 GMT -5
Wow, that is some serious text-formatting! I'm not surprised about the Emerson Heat Fan or the Caribbean Breeze, as fans of that age didn't include safety cables here in Canada either. Casablanca and Alaska both never used safety cables, regardless of age. The Hunter Beacon Hill not including a safety cable is odd though (at least for Canadian standards). Hunter fans of that age almost always had one here. Same goes with the Hampton Bay Brookhurst. There are, however, a few residential fans that include one anyways: www.fanimation.com/support/download_pdf.html?media_id=2651Serious text-formatting becomes necessary when seriously outrageous things are being said. None of the fans that I have installed new in the past, such as a Hampton Bay Chatham, a Hampton bay Minuet 2, a Hampton Bay San Marino, and a Hampton Bay Hawkins, had safety cables either. I'm convinced no safety cables is standard here in the US. Anyone else have some in put that has installed more fans than I have? Is that your favorite model fan? Litex would make the most sense. Out of curiosity, which generation of San Marino did you get? Also, this is the fan you probably had: The San Marino would have been around 2005 probably. I think I still have the manual somewhere, if there is some way to tell from that I can see if I can find it somewhere. That's definitely not the fan we had, the one we had contained half-moon brackets. Listen 'bro', you're an "L". Are you implying something? Yes. 'R' 'U'? It all has to do with speed. The fan is only rated at 170, which isn't a lot for a 54" blade span. If Air Cool would have put a 5UF capacitor instead of a 4.5 though, the motor would have turned faster. Ultimately, you'd get a more powerful fan. Even at that speed, I would have still expected more air output. But now that I think about it more, 54" really isn't that much larger than the standard size fan. I don't think 170 RPM is all that slow for an average quality Hampton Bay fan. Its not like we're talking Casablanca or something higher-end. Its not always all in speed though, a little more pitch at the same speed would be better actually. More air with no more noise. With the size of the motor in there, a little more pitch would be expected. Though they might not be the best incandescent replacement in the world, quality CFL bulbs can last for 35 years plus and save lots of energy. I'll give it that they can save some electricity if you want to put up with a lousy light output, but they definitely do not last 35 years. That's outlandish, they've hardly been around for 35 years. They last more like 35 weeks maybe. They look similar because its the same exact fan, only the Hampton Bay is rebranded from the Minka, but the Minka has horizontal blade badges, while its Hampton Bay rebranded version has vertical blade badges. They are identical in every regard except for that, same cfm, same 188x20mm motor, same everything except the blade badges. They are both made by Ainka Aire. Interesting observation! Looking at the two side-by-side, they appear almost identical. Minka Aire isn't a manufacturer per se, just a re-brander like Hampton Bay. The fan was made by Air Cool, however both companies put their unique name on it. Since Hampton Bay couldn't copy Minka Aire, they made slight changes to their version. I had no idea "Ainka Aire" was a rebrander, I always though it was more of a higher end brand like Hunter or Casablanca. Very interesting. What other companies do they get their fans from?
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Post by Max C. on Jan 2, 2015 18:20:57 GMT -5
Serious text-formatting becomes necessary when seriously outrageous things are being said. None of the fans that I have installed new in the past, such as a Hampton Bay Chatham, a Hampton bay Minuet 2, a Hampton Bay San Marino, and a Hampton Bay Hawkins, had safety cables either. I'm convinced no safety cables is standard here in the US. Anyone else have some in put that has installed more fans than I have? Is that your favorite model fan? Seriously outrageous You're right, residential ceiling fans are not required to include a safety cable in the US. Some higher-end lighting showroom brands and even a few Hampton Bays have them though. Also, is what my favorite model? The San Marino would have been around 2005 probably. I think I still have the manual somewhere, if there is some way to tell from that I can see if I can find it somewhere. That's definitely not the fan we had, the one we had contained half-moon brackets. You should be able to tell from the manual. The pre-2007 ones used a 153X15 motos as opposed to the later ones which only used a 153X10. Therefore in the "Specifications" section of your manual, you should see a higher CFM rating than the current one. Since your Wal-Mart hugger had half-moon shaped blade brackets, it must have been the Home Creations/Aloha Breeze (Zongshan Wei He-made) version: Even at that speed, I would have still expected more air output. But now that I think about it more, 54" really isn't that much larger than the standard size fan. I don't think 170 RPM is all that slow for an average quality Hampton Bay fan. Its not like we're talking Casablanca or something higher-end. Its not always all in speed though, a little more pitch at the same speed would be better actually. More air with no more noise. With the size of the motor in there, a little more pitch would be expected. Increasing blade pitch can improve airflow, however you need the appropriate power and speed to accommodate the extra load on the motor. Think of it this way; if you have a race car with a very powerful engine, driving it slowly won't take advantage of it's potential speed. Same goes with ceiling fans. Sure, extra blade pitch will increase airflow, however a capacitor with a higher value would also significantly effect performance. I'll give it that they can save some electricity if you want to put up with a lousy light output, but they definitely do not last 35 years. That's outlandish, they've hardly been around for 35 years. They last more like 35 weeks maybe. Fixed. I meant 25 years. I had no idea "Ainka Aire" was a rebrander, I always though it was more of a higher end brand like Hunter or Casablanca. Very interesting. What other companies do they get their fans from? Casablanca and Hunter are re-branders as well. There hasn't been a "Hunter factory" for a long time now. I know Minka Aire also used/uses Halsey.
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Post by Jordan U on Jan 3, 2015 20:37:35 GMT -5
Also, is what my favorite model? The "Multimax": www.fanimation.com/support/download_pdf.html?media_id=2651You should be able to tell from the manual. The pre-2007 ones used a 153X15 motos as opposed to the later ones which only used a 153X10. Therefore in the "Specifications" section of your manual, you should see a higher CFM rating than the current one. Since your Wal-Mart hugger had half-moon shaped blade brackets, it must have been the Home Creations/Aloha Breeze (Zongshan Wei He-made) version: Nope, that's not it either. It didn't have colored blades, and the motor was black. i don't think the brackets were that chunky either. I think I have a picture of it, I'll have to look for it. Increasing blade pitch can improve airflow, however you need the appropriate power and speed to accommodate the extra load on the motor. Think of it this way; if you have a race car with a very powerful engine, driving it slowly won't take advantage of it's potential speed. Same goes with ceiling fans. Sure, extra blade pitch will increase airflow, however a capacitor with a higher value would also significantly effect performance. Yes, you would need a more powerful motor to go along with the pitch. But what I was saying is given the RPMs were the same, the ideal situation would be to improve pitch, rather than keep the pitch the same and increase speed. A lot of the ones sold around here say they last 9 years, which even then I don't believe. I rarely have ones that go more than 9 months. Casablanca and Hunter are re-branders as well. There hasn't been a "Hunter factory" for a long time now. I know Minka Aire also used/uses Halsey. This is a good point, I never thought about it like that. At least fans like Casablanca aren't as much of a reseller as say Hampton Bay is because Casablanca makes some of their parts. I suppose the only true ceiling fan manufacturer are brands like Emerson which make motors and everything else.
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Post by Max C. on Jan 4, 2015 15:26:42 GMT -5
Yup What's funny, is I didn't even know about this model until a few days ago! Nope, that's not it either. It didn't have colored blades, and the motor was black. I don't think the brackets were that chunky either. I think I have a picture of it, I'll have to look for it. So you had the Heritage version I gather. When did you get it? Yes, you would need a more powerful motor to go along with the pitch. But what I was saying is given the RPMs were the same, the ideal situation would be to improve pitch, rather than keep the pitch the same and increase speed. That's a good point. It's not necessarily the motor that's the issue, so much as the capacitor. A lot of the ones sold around here say they last 9 years, which even then I don't believe. I rarely have ones that go more than 9 months. The new ones? Most of those aren't really good CFLs. The ones I was referring to were the vintage Japanese-made GE Compax bulbs. This is a good point, I never thought about it like that. At least fans like Casablanca aren't as much of a reseller as say Hampton Bay is because Casablanca makes some of their parts. I suppose the only true ceiling fan manufacturer are brands like Emerson which make motors and everything else. That's not entirely true. Casablanca hasn't had their own factory for years. Therefore, even though some of their parts might be proprietary, Casablanca doesn't make them. Also, did you have any luck with the San Marino manual?
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