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Post by Cole S. on Feb 12, 2013 23:26:42 GMT -5
Ewww! They had already changed their site not so long ago. How come on their site they still have a lot of Panamas that looks like the one that we know and it says in the description that it's XLP-2000. This for exemple is pretty much what I bought at Wilcorp in 2009 (and I'm so GLAD I did!): www.casablancafanco.com/Products/Ceiling-Fans/Panama%C2%AE-6622G-50/If I search for Panama on their site it shows all theses that looks like real Casablancas: www.casablancafanco.com/Search.aspx?search=Panama&ProdView=allActually I don't seem to be able to find this new ugly type of Panama on their site. I've noticed that regular XLP-2000 Panamas are on a discount price at Hansen Wholesale. 42% off! www.hansenwholesale.com/ceilingfans/casablanca/model.asp?ProdNo=6622GI wonder what are the DC motors exactly. I don't see why some of you would turn to Emerson, they went worse too. They are actually worse than Casablanca. They discontinued the Apollo and the Premium which already doesn't looks very plain and classic is not available anymore in classic finishes such as PB plus now they don't seem to make regular shape blades anymore. I think part of it is that there's still old stock floating around, and the other part is that Casablanca/Hunter is not good with site updates. The time will come when the old models disappear and the new ones take over. We turn to Emerson because they're still committed to quality. Hunter is obviously not concerned with Casablanca's quality anymore, Emerson is still turning out some quality products. I disagree that Emerson is worse as long as they've put stack motors in the redesigned models. The blade selection is an issue, but I'd rather have a decent motor than decently shaped blades.
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Post by Jean Lemieux on Feb 14, 2013 15:29:51 GMT -5
Ewww! They had already changed their site not so long ago. How come on their site they still have a lot of Panamas that looks like the one that we know and it says in the description that it's XLP-2000. This for exemple is pretty much what I bought at Wilcorp in 2009 (and I'm so GLAD I did!): www.casablancafanco.com/Products/Ceiling-Fans/Panama%C2%AE-6622G-50/If I search for Panama on their site it shows all theses that looks like real Casablancas: www.casablancafanco.com/Search.aspx?search=Panama&ProdView=allActually I don't seem to be able to find this new ugly type of Panama on their site. I've noticed that regular XLP-2000 Panamas are on a discount price at Hansen Wholesale. 42% off! www.hansenwholesale.com/ceilingfans/casablanca/model.asp?ProdNo=6622GI wonder what are the DC motors exactly. I don't see why some of you would turn to Emerson, they went worse too. They are actually worse than Casablanca. They discontinued the Apollo and the Premium which already doesn't looks very plain and classic is not available anymore in classic finishes such as PB plus now they don't seem to make regular shape blades anymore. I think part of it is that there's still old stock floating around, and the other part is that Casablanca/Hunter is not good with site updates. The time will come when the old models disappear and the new ones take over. We turn to Emerson because they're still committed to quality. Hunter is obviously not concerned with Casablanca's quality anymore, Emerson is still turning out some quality products. I disagree that Emerson is worse as long as they've put stack motors in the redesigned models. The blade selection is an issue, but I'd rather have a decent motor than decently shaped blades. Yes, it seems that everywhere they still all the old stock of Panama left. Not so long ago they still had old stokes of Venturas. The prices Hansen Wholesale offers right now for the XLP-2000 Panamas is very good. If I would not have bought that Panama back in 2009, I probably would be buying one from Hansen while they still have some. Emerson have discontinued a lot of their stack models too so it's really not looking good. That's what I just wrote in the tread on the other forum about new models from Minka Aire is that it's funny how companies such as Minka Aire, Quorum and Craftmade are taking over. When we think about it they are the ones that released some of the most interesting fans in the recent years and it's not like if they were a cheap home center brand, most of their fans have very good motors. I say that and I usually hate Minka Aire. I've had this Craftmade Decorative for almost six years and it still runs like new. It has the smallest motors that Craftmade offers and we use it a lot.
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Post by fancollector12 on Feb 14, 2013 21:53:56 GMT -5
If Hunter wouldn't have bought Casablanca, then Casablanca wouldn't have gone downhill. I swear, manufacturers will do ANYTHING to survive in today's economy. The only models that still remain the same for 2013 and have been around awhile are the Victorian, the 19th Century, the New Orleans Centennial (a few of the only good fans left), the Panama XLP (yes they decided to keep it, it just got added to their catalog for 2013, and has both IT3 and 3-speed models!), the Bel Air, the Holliston (pretty good fan w/ an XLP in it), the Stealth (another good fan), the Malibu Star (again an awesome fan), the Trident, the Chandelier (another good fan), the Mission (a good fan), the Wailea, and some of the light kits (the K4SA, the K134A, the K164A, the K1CA, the K1KA, the G501, the G502, and the KG1KA). You now have limited options to get a light kit for your XLP-motored fan, and those classic light kits only work on the XLP-motored fans. Luckily IT3, PrimeTouch, the IT3 Remote Control (AdvanTouch), the W-41, the W-81, the W-24, the W-28, and the AdapTouch controls still remain. The LCA and SCA adapters also are still available, on the fans that still have the Hang-Tru canopy system.
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Post by Cole S. on Feb 15, 2013 0:11:38 GMT -5
That is such a relief to see that some things won't be changing right now. It was sounding very bleak, this is half a glimmer of hope. It at least means parts will be around for a decent while longer. This recent scare has given me the kick I think I need to get any parts I know I need right away before it does become too late.
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Post by fancollector12 on Feb 15, 2013 14:13:08 GMT -5
Well, apparently they're going to offer that entry-line Panama on top of the current XLP-powered Panama. But if you want an outdoor Panama, you have to go for the Direct-Drive model.
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Post by jonathan on Feb 16, 2013 9:15:51 GMT -5
What a disappointment. I could see this coming though. The prices for these were always insanely high. You were paying for quality though. I sure hope this doesn't catch on. Hunter better not mess up more Casablanca fans. Let's hope they don't mess the original up too.
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Post by fancollector12 on Feb 16, 2013 10:39:52 GMT -5
Yes, you got a quality fan for that high price. But I guess we're going to start seeing Casablancas more places if the price decreases...
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Post by Rick M. on Feb 18, 2013 1:29:48 GMT -5
No way I'd buy a new Casablanca now...Emerson all the way!
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Post by fancollector12 on Feb 18, 2013 17:06:00 GMT -5
Or at least we can buy the last GOOD Casablancas.
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Post by Perrey Z. on Feb 19, 2013 14:40:12 GMT -5
Jean, these DC motors are pretty good. The airflow circulation is quite decent. The only set back is the initial operation., when you power up the fan, it tends to act up confused going slightly on reverse then rapidly forward then a instant second off and then it starts moving forward as intended. The lower speeds (4,5 & 6) won't work during the break-in process. Another interesting thing I notice is, the blades spin freely for a brushless motor but as soon as you turn it off, it stops spinning in 5-secs. They run super quiet though.
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Post by fancollector12 on Feb 19, 2013 22:23:34 GMT -5
Perrey, my Emerson dc midway Eco does that as well.
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Post by Jean Lemieux on Feb 19, 2013 23:07:23 GMT -5
No way I'd buy a new Casablanca now...Emerson all the way! Rick, they still offer the Panama and many other Casablanca with the XLP-2000 motor. Emerson does not offer much anything worth looking at. The blades choices are awful. Some exceptions would be the Maui Bay, the Loft fan and the metal blade commercial fan.
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Post by Jean Lemieux on Feb 19, 2013 23:08:26 GMT -5
Jean, these DC motors are pretty good. The airflow circulation is quite decent. The only set back is the initial operation., when you power up the fan, it tends to act up confused going slightly on reverse then rapidly forward then a instant second off and then it starts moving forward as intended. The lower speeds (4,5 & 6) won't work during the break-in process. Another interesting thing I notice is, the blades spin freely for a brushless motor but as soon as you turn it off, it stops spinning in 5-secs. They run super quiet though. What the motor looks like exactly. Is it built like a direct drive motor?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2013 23:31:01 GMT -5
No way I'd buy a new Casablanca now...Emerson all the way! #1 DITTO!!
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Post by Perrey Z. on Feb 20, 2013 0:34:17 GMT -5
Jean, these DC motors are pretty good. The airflow circulation is quite decent. The only set back is the initial operation., when you power up the fan, it tends to act up confused going slightly on reverse then rapidly forward then a instant second off and then it starts moving forward as intended. The lower speeds (4,5 & 6) won't work during the break-in process. Another interesting thing I notice is, the blades spin freely for a brushless motor but as soon as you turn it off, it stops spinning in 5-secs. They run super quiet though. What the motor looks like exactly. Is it built like a direct drive motor? It's a spinner type but the circumference is much smaller than a stack type,yet much thicker than any other motor in the industry., it resembles a musical drum, top, bottom, centerband and the screws holding the two cover shells together.
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