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Post by Matt B. on Mar 24, 2014 19:09:15 GMT -5
The caps on these 52" fans are rated at 5 MFD. Its pretty easy to understand, it really doesn't matter which side is which so 3 wires, one from the motor, one from the switch housing, and the one that goes up that gives you the option of using the fan with a wall control only connects to one side of the cap, and the wire from the reverse switch goes on the other side. If that plastic cap is rated at 5 mfd then I'd say leave it. Here's a pic of the capacitor and how its wired that I took for reference when I was cleaning the fan.
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Post by Adam D. on Mar 24, 2014 19:25:37 GMT -5
Ok, thanks for the photo.. It should help..
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Post by Andrew G. on Mar 24, 2014 20:32:04 GMT -5
Uhhh yeah, one little thing about that...
Nutone used at least THREE different motors in the Verandah Deluxe; GE, AOSmith (Westinghouse) and Universal. The value of the capacitor really depends on which motor your fan has.
On a separate note: It's good to see I'm not the only one who has one with the slow Westinghouse motor.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2014 20:49:41 GMT -5
I LOVE THIS SO MUCH. & brass Verandah Deluxes with stencil are among my very, very favorite fans!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2014 20:50:49 GMT -5
Since when is A.O. Smith the same as Westinghouse? That thing doesnt look like a Westinghouse motor. What's it's RPM rating?
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Post by Adam D. on Mar 24, 2014 20:51:28 GMT -5
I figured out mine.. The cap in mine is a 5mf+5mf+4.5mf.. The cap has a big bulge in it.. One of the red wires went directly out the downrod and other red into the switch housing to the pull switch.. I took out the the red wire going out of the downrod replaced it with a black wire.. Fished it through into the switch housing and hooked it to the lead of the pull switch.. Now Pull switch works with two on speeds, one with variable speed control.. Hooked the cap up to the next 5mf lead, cap still may be good.. The cap was what was sizzling..
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Post by Matt B. on Mar 24, 2014 21:39:39 GMT -5
Motor is rated at 165 rpm. I'll have to look at my other VD with a Universal motor to see what the cap value is.
If the cap has a bulge in it, then it certainly needs to be replaced. These fans normally have 2 on positions, the strict high speed, and the variable speed. There should have been a hot wire (usually black) already going to the switch. There is also a red wire going to feed a light kit. So you didn't have to add another hot wire to the fan unless I'm misunderstanding you, since that extra red was to intentionally bypass the controls in the switch housing so you can use the fan strictly on a wall control.
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Post by Andrew G. on Mar 24, 2014 22:57:10 GMT -5
Since when is A.O. Smith the same as Westinghouse? That thing doesnt look like a Westinghouse motor. A.O. Smith routinely relabeled Westinghouse motors.
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Post by Adam D. on Mar 24, 2014 23:00:45 GMT -5
I totally took out the red wire.. One of the red wires is suppose to run through the fan or connected to run into the switch housing for light kit.. There is suppose to be a black wire running through the fan as the positive for connection into the pull switch lead.. Obviously this fan was wired to run from a wall control, and the original cap was replaced and hooked up wrong and black wire was totally removed from fan.. They had one red wire going through down rod as for the positive connection, and the other red wire going to pull switch, the cap may have been getting power from two sources which was causing it to sizzle.. The first speed is high and second is for variable speed as all these are.. The fan has been running for a few hours and the cap is fine now as I hooked it into the second 5mf lead.. Cap is not giving any issues, I'll leave this one in for now..
They used a cap that's meant to run a 3 speed fan, but it can be hooked in to use just one of the values..
I'll re fish the red wire I took out into the fan's switch housing for the light.. They had everything hooked up half-assed backwards..
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Post by Matt B. on Mar 25, 2014 16:08:58 GMT -5
Interesting, if it works without issues then it's all that matters. I'd still get a new capacitor for it though just to be safe, but that's me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2014 23:30:22 GMT -5
Since when is A.O. Smith the same as Westinghouse? That thing doesnt look like a Westinghouse motor. A.O. Smith routinely relabeled Westinghouse motors. Got an example? I cant recall having seen it. In this case, the AO Smith motor does NOT look like Westinghouse, and appears to be something else.
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Post by John Shelley on Mar 26, 2014 9:33:36 GMT -5
Since when is A.O. Smith the same as Westinghouse? That thing doesnt look like a Westinghouse motor. A.O. Smith routinely relabeled Westinghouse motors. Seeing as A.O. Smith bought Century, Westinghouse and Universal... its not too surprising that they did that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2014 9:37:53 GMT -5
A.O. Smith routinely relabeled Westinghouse motors. Seeing as A.O. Smith bought Century, Westinghouse and Universal... its not too surprising that they did that. Not until 1986. This fan is older than 1986.
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Post by John Shelley on Mar 26, 2014 9:48:24 GMT -5
Seeing as A.O. Smith bought Century, Westinghouse and Universal... its not too surprising that they did that. Not until 1986. This fan is older than 1986. So this one must be their own design.... which I already figured, based on the end bell design. Wonder if any A.O. Smith dealers have any of these NOS.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2014 9:49:51 GMT -5
Not until 1986. This fan is older than 1986. So this one must be their own design.... which I already figured, based on the end bell design. Wonder if any A.O. Smith dealers have any of these NOS. Right? Pretty cool. I've seen this motor before, but cant remember what it was labeled. Come to think of it, I think it was A.O. Smith. Might have been in a pedestal fan.
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