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Post by Chris H. on Jul 25, 2010 17:24:14 GMT -5
Well, here's the junk fan. I despise it. It rattles incessantly. The oscillator mechanism slows the motor down (or vise versa)..and the blades have next to no pitch, rendering the thing useless for moving air across a room. 10". Junk.
If I had done a little more browsing while I was at Walgreens ten years ago, I might've instead had a 16" made by TOZAI- though whether or not it would have had the same issues as this one- I'll never know. But TOZAI doesn't make their grilles like this anymore. Currently, they're rubber-coated metal wire grilles...but the same crappy motors. I wonder if CVS sells fans...
Of course, earlier TOZAI's were probably not as bad- but I wonder how those 80s toe-zie fans stack up to more popular brands like Lasko and Lakewood from that era.
Okay, I'm done with my textual rant. Here's a video rant.
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Post by tonyt on Jul 26, 2010 12:35:38 GMT -5
the early 90s was good, and i saw one of those fnas at the fleamarket satueday did not impress me did not buy it
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Post by tonyt on Jul 26, 2010 12:38:33 GMT -5
thats not a 12inch thats 9inch i have the same fan but refular grill
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Post by Chris H. on Jul 26, 2010 13:00:03 GMT -5
It's 10 inches actually. I measured it.
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Post by Perrey Z. on Jul 26, 2010 14:17:53 GMT -5
I had the 9-inch Wexford version 2-years ago but I took it back the same day I bought it. No enough power and too much $$$. The Oscillator is what's slowing it down.
As a person who love and enjoyed the fans from the 1980s I can tell you the all-time best TOZAI fans came out in 1986-87.
Back them, Walgreens had a super awesome collection of 6-inch in Desk and Clip-On, 7 & 9-inch in Desk. 12 and 16-inches in Desk and Pedestal in multiple Colors. And When I say Colors I mean LOTS OF COLORS.
I will never forget those TOZAIs; Good Quality. Fair Prices. Choices... Lots of Choices.
The colors they have in that year were Peach, Canary Yellow, Pink, Baby Blue, White, Mint Green, Lavender, Teal, Caramel and a few others.
And the coolest thing was when they advertised them on their sales circular (Sundays), they pictured all the colors together for each fan. The same deal in their pharmacies, all the colors were on display.
Before these "fashionable" models came out, TOZAI fans were made by SANLUX sharing many components with other SANYO and SANLUX fans imported to the states.
Funny Fact; during the fan wars of the 1970s and 1980s, TOZAI was not consider competition for the top players like Panasonic, SANYO, Ku Hsing, Kuo Horng, Tatung, Lasko and KMC and the hundreds of other (Taiwanese and South Korean) imported ones under a bunch of brands.
The simple fact that TOZAI never had a wall fan offering keep them behind. While Wall fans are not very popular in the U.S., their unique style as been always a choice sought out by consumers as an alternative way to save space. Walgreens missed on that piece of the cake big time.
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Post by Chris H. on Jul 26, 2010 14:42:54 GMT -5
I had the 9-inch Wexford version 2-years ago but I took it back the same day I bought it. No enough power and too much $$$. The Oscillator is what's slowing it down. As a person who love and enjoyed the fans from the 1980s I can tell you the all-time best TOZAI fans came out in 1986-87. Back them, Walgreens had a super awesome collection of 6-inch in Desk and Clip-On, 7 & 9-inch in Desk. 12 and 16-inches in Desk and Pedestal in multiple Colors. And When I say Colors I mean LOTS OF COLORS. I will never forget those TOZAIs; Good Quality. Fair Prices. Choices... Lots of Choices. The colors they have in that year were Peach, Canary Yellow, Pink, Baby Blue, White, Mint Green, Lavender, Teal, Caramel and a few others. And the coolest thing was when they advertised them on their sales circular (Sundays), they pictured all the colors together for each fan. The same deal in their pharmacies, all the colors were on display. Before these "fashionable" models came out, TOZAI fans were made by SANLUX sharing many components with other SANYO and SANLUX fans imported to the states. Funny Fact; during the fan wars of the 1970s and 1980s, TOZAI was not consider competition for the top players like Panasonic, SANYO, Ku Hsing, Kuo Horng, Tatung, Lasko and KMC and the hundreds of other (Taiwanese and South Korean) imported ones under a bunch of brands. The simple fact that TOZAI never had a wall fan offering keep them behind. While Wall fans are not very popular in the U.S., their unique style as been always a choice sought out by consumers as an alternative way to save space. Walgreens missed on that piece of the cake big time. The oscillator does slow it down badly. The thing still doesn't move much air across the room though considering its overall size- and my room is pretty small. You can barely feel the breeze- and the bearings are starting to go out on it. I'm not putting in the screwdriver time for it like I am my Tatung. Man, if I was around in the 80s I would've embellished in the fan wars. Today there sort of is, sort of isn't a fan war going on- everything is obsolete in two years. And the fan won't last longer than that if not longer. I hardly used this TOZAI over the last 10 years- and if I keep using it later on it'll die sooner or later.
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Post by Chris H. on Jul 26, 2010 18:31:21 GMT -5
So I read on DT that using WD-40 in c-frame bearings would clean them out, and then zoom spout would relube them. True?
Discuss
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Post by Perrey Z. on Jul 26, 2010 18:52:00 GMT -5
So I read on other sites that using WD-40 in c-frame bearings would clean them out, and then zoom spout would relube them. True? Discuss IDK.... What I do when they arrive, if they are a bit locked, I spray some lubricant in the bearings so I can test it., When that goes out. I open it all and clean the shaft, holes, stator and rotor with alcohol then use all-purpose grease and put it back together.
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Post by Perrey Z. on Jul 26, 2010 18:55:28 GMT -5
During the period of the fan wars, if you were a manufacturer or importer, you needed it to have as many colors, style assortment and sizes as possible. Gimmicks like Desk and Pedestal fans with Night Lights, Timers were essential for survival and to set your product apart from the rest.
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Post by Chris H. on Jul 26, 2010 20:17:42 GMT -5
Well I cleaned up the Tatung. It runs like a breeze, doesn't make much motor noise, and I lightly oiled the bearings. These bearings have a slot on the inside, and I could see in there that if anything was in there, it was caked, so with a toothpick I cleaned out some of the gunk, put Zoom Spout in the bearings, let them sit throughout the day and occasionally rotated the rotor inside them to mull around the oil. As for the toes-eye, I just took it apart and the bearings on it have no slots, just holes. So I put a small amount on both, and carefully cleaned the shaft. The grease on the front bearing (towards the blades) had burned up on the outside of the bearing, so a little alcohol removed it. The whole front of the motor is yellowed, which doesn't surprise me. Pics: My camera hates lighting conditions that aren't satisfactory, so I only shot two of my desk.
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Post by tonyt on Jul 27, 2010 10:11:15 GMT -5
my moms 1992 tozai was gold it was pretty
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Post by Chris H. on Jul 27, 2010 18:03:30 GMT -5
Update: So I oiled the back bearing (connected to the oscillator) last night. Woke up this morning- the oil leaked out of it and peed all over my desk. I took it apart, re-greased the oscillator (the engagement gear, where the knob is connected to- was trashed. I found a gear in a box in the garage that fit the fan- I wonder where my Dad found it), and the bearing has a small crack on the backside. Cheap junk. The front bearing however has dried up grease, and I don't think the fan is worth anything to find the right bearing. So it got oiled for a second time (with Zoom Spout- never use WD-40 on the bearings). It sucks it all up. I ran the motor for about three minutes on high, then five minutes on high with the fan blades on. Guess what I discovered? The blades are improperly balanced. Another thing I noticed was, while I ran it in oscillation mode (sans blades), the rotor moves forward to the point where it rattles a little. I'm finding grinding spots on the front of the rotor. Something needs to be done here I feel.
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Post by Perrey Z. on Jul 27, 2010 19:18:53 GMT -5
Update: So I oiled the back bearing (connected to the oscillator) last night. Woke up this morning- the oil leaked out of it and peed all over my desk. I took it apart, re-greased the oscillator (the engagement gear, where the knob is connected to- was trashed. I found a gear in a box in the garage that fit the fan- I wonder where my Dad found it), and the bearing has a small crack on the backside. Cheap junk. The front bearing however has dried up grease, and I don't think the fan is worth anything to find the right bearing. So it got oiled for a second time (with Zoom Spout- never use WD-40 on the bearings). It sucks it all up. I ran the motor for about three minutes on high, then five minutes on high with the fan blades on. Guess what I discovered? The blades are improperly balanced. Another thing I noticed was, while I ran it in oscillation mode (sans blades), the rotor moves forward to the point where it rattles a little. I'm finding grinding spots on the front of the rotor. Something needs to be done here I feel. A plastic washer is needed then to prevent that movement.
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Post by Chris H. on Jul 27, 2010 20:13:57 GMT -5
Update: So I oiled the back bearing (connected to the oscillator) last night. Woke up this morning- the oil leaked out of it and peed all over my desk. I took it apart, re-greased the oscillator (the engagement gear, where the knob is connected to- was trashed. I found a gear in a box in the garage that fit the fan- I wonder where my Dad found it), and the bearing has a small crack on the backside. Cheap junk. The front bearing however has dried up grease, and I don't think the fan is worth anything to find the right bearing. So it got oiled for a second time (with Zoom Spout- never use WD-40 on the bearings). It sucks it all up. I ran the motor for about three minutes on high, then five minutes on high with the fan blades on. Guess what I discovered? The blades are improperly balanced. Another thing I noticed was, while I ran it in oscillation mode (sans blades), the rotor moves forward to the point where it rattles a little. I'm finding grinding spots on the front of the rotor. Something needs to be done here I feel. A plastic washer is needed then to prevent that movement. Just as I thought. The rotor has plastic bushings on both sides of it..and I never saw a plastic washer to rectify this problem. Sigh. Go figure. Where can I find a plastic washer? True Value?
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Post by Perrey Z. on Jul 28, 2010 0:18:07 GMT -5
A plastic washer is needed then to prevent that movement. Just as I thought. The rotor has plastic bushings on both sides of it..and I never saw a plastic washer to rectify this problem. Sigh. Go figure. Where can I find a plastic washer? True Value? To be honest with you, I have no idea where to get those. I need some for a few of my fans and I don't know where to begin looking for them. These plastic washer are thin, some are made of film-like material.
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