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Post by Noah C on Apr 30, 2019 23:25:58 GMT -5
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Post by Parkman on May 1, 2019 15:28:46 GMT -5
Ended up yesterday I ordered an excellent deal on an Emerson Sea Breeze. I haven't worked with one but found it to have excellent reviews, I can't wait to check out the build quality. Shall see once it arrives.
Plus I got it for under $100!
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Post by Noah C on May 1, 2019 22:49:09 GMT -5
Ended up yesterday I ordered an excellent deal on an Emerson Sea Breeze. I haven't worked with one but found it to have excellent reviews, I can't wait to check out the build quality. Shall see once it arrives. Plus I got it for under $100! That is a FANTASTIC deal for an outdoor fan; I couldn't find anything like that! The Sea Breeze is a good quality fan for being an outdoor fan, and has above average but not quite K55-type level performance; they're pretty average in that regard for fans with 188×15mm motors (I think the early 2000s models had 188×12mm). Current draw for those should be around .5-.6 amps and around 65 watts. However, the Sea Breeze will be prone to the common pitfalls of outdoor fans with standard blade irons; they break when it gets windy. Between the last 15 years, the Emerson Designer/Sea Breeze has increased in size from 50" to 52" and that increase happened due to longer blade arms--the blades are still 20.5" in length. If your fan has those almost disproportionately long blade arms, unless the arms have thick castings, they would be likely to break if you live in a windy climate. |
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Post by Parkman on May 1, 2019 22:58:50 GMT -5
Ended up yesterday I ordered an excellent deal on an Emerson Sea Breeze. I haven't worked with one but found it to have excellent reviews, I can't wait to check out the build quality. Shall see once it arrives. Plus I got it for under $100! That is a FANTASTIC deal for an outdoor fan; I couldn't find anything like that! The Sea Breeze is a good quality fan for being an outdoor fan, and has above average but not quite K55-type level performance; they're pretty average in that regard for fans with 188×15mm motors (I think the early 2000s models had 188×12mm). Current draw for those should be around .5-.6 amps and around 65 watts. However, the Sea Breeze will be prone to the common pitfalls of outdoor fans with standard blade irons; they break when it gets windy. Between the last 15 years, the Emerson Designer/Sea Breeze has increased in size from 50" to 52" and that increase happened due to longer blade arms--the blades are still 20.5" in length. If your fan has those almost disproportionately long blade arms, unless the arms have thick castings, they would be likely to break if you live in a windy climate. That makes sense that they grew I noticed the Designers to be looking a little different. So far I haven't had any broken blades yet fingers crossed on this. I'm curious to see how thick the blade arms are I've been pleased with them so far. |
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Post by Noah C on May 1, 2019 23:34:32 GMT -5
That is a FANTASTIC deal for an outdoor fan; I couldn't find anything like that! The Sea Breeze is a good quality fan for being an outdoor fan, and has above average but not quite K55-type level performance; they're pretty average in that regard for fans with 188×15mm motors (I think the early 2000s models had 188×12mm). Current draw for those should be around .5-.6 amps and around 65 watts. However, the Sea Breeze will be prone to the common pitfalls of outdoor fans with standard blade irons; they break when it gets windy. Between the last 15 years, the Emerson Designer/Sea Breeze has increased in size from 50" to 52" and that increase happened due to longer blade arms--the blades are still 20.5" in length. If your fan has those almost disproportionately long blade arms, unless the arms have thick castings, they would be likely to break if you live in a windy climate. That makes sense that they grew I noticed the Designers to be looking a little different. So far I haven't had any broken blades yet fingers crossed on this. I'm curious to see how thick the blade arms are I've been pleased with them so far. Yeah, they grew. I liked the "stockier/chunkier" look of the Designer after the late '90s redesign and the reduction in size to 50", but this slight change threw the proportions of the fan off. Especially since normal 52" fans will have 21" long blades but the blades on the Designer/Sea Breeze are a bit shorter at 20.5" (which was proportionally nice with the 50" span), the blade arms look too long. This is also a con for outdoor fans since the more blade iron you have, the higher likelihood there is your fan's blades will break off at the irons, especially if the blade iron castings aren't thicker than normal (which they usually aren't). If you don't live somewhere that ever gets blustery, that's no problem, but if where you live does have windy weather, your fan won't last more than around 5 years before components like that break. Just the other day, I walked by the porch of my local Buffalo Wild Wings, which has Craftmade Patio fans; two of them have multiple snapped blade arms. They've been out there for 5 years; mind you, this is a porch. I've seen this happen to many other outdoor fans with standard designs; it's not as much of a problem with more "contemporary" designs with only the exposed blade. |
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Post by Parkman on May 2, 2019 6:31:27 GMT -5
If I get five years I'll be fine. My first fan there I got three years out of and nothing broke. I replaced it because it was starting to get noisy and hardly moved air. Then came the Gazebo which hasn't broken any blades and has actually held up pretty good.
I go in with the attitude that an outdoor fan will take a beating. Thats why I won't purchase an expensive one for an install like this. It makes no sense to when you have condensation, salt water in my case, and wind. I just want something that churns air when I sit out there which my Calera didn't do and then the Gazebo did until the capacitor started to fail. I'd rather have expensive high end fans inside that'll stay where they are for twenty years.
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Post by Noah C on May 2, 2019 8:18:04 GMT -5
If I get five years I'll be fine. My first fan there I got three years out of and nothing broke. I replaced it because it was starting to get noisy and hardly moved air. Then came the Gazebo which hasn't broken any blades and has actually held up pretty good. I go in with the attitude that an outdoor fan will take a beating. Thats why I won't purchase an expensive one for an install like this. It makes no sense to when you have condensation, salt water in my case, and wind. I just want something that churns air when I sit out there which my Calera didn't do and then the Gazebo did until the capacitor started to fail. I'd rather have expensive high end fans inside that'll stay where they are for twenty years. You're set then. For the climate you live in (which is definitely corrosive to fans due to salt air), you would need something better to withstand that (plus wind) for more than 5 years without issues, which kind of drives you away from buying something that can handle that deal (Agrifans, some Kichler Climates fans, among other water-resistant fans). Buying one of those for those conditions makes sense to me only if wherever I am is permanent and I'm trying to go for the best in that space. Your Sea Breeze will definitely take a beating, seeing as the weather where you're at is brutal on outdoor living spaces. |
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Post by Parkman on May 6, 2019 19:04:26 GMT -5
Gotta give it to Emerson. The Sea Breeze is up and running and it is superb!! The most air I've felt under a wet rated fan and I'm very pleased with the build quality. The blade irons are solid compared to everything else I've dealt with.
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Post by Noah C on May 6, 2019 21:50:43 GMT -5
Gotta give it to Emerson. The Sea Breeze is up and running and it is superb!! The most air I've felt under a wet rated fan and I'm very pleased with the build quality. The blade irons are solid compared to everything else I've dealt with. Glad to hear Emerson did a killer job with their wet fan! I'll look into those when or if I have to do a porch/patio/lanai/gazebo/pergola install. Hats off to Emerson; maybe you'll get 10-15 years or so instead of 5  |
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Post by Parkman on May 7, 2019 6:08:20 GMT -5
I hope!  I'm definitely going to recommend them to my aunt when she decides to replace her 42" Gazebo's on her porch. I don't know if its because they are like on a 9 1/2' ceiling but the 42" ones move no air, both the downrods have rusted but nothing else and the bearings are shot on the one. For years I remember everyone saying before Fanimation got popular in the fan community that Emerson was the best brand and I'm starting to see that perhaps they are, especially since they still have the K55XL!! |
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Post by Jonathan A. on May 7, 2019 22:16:17 GMT -5
All of Emerson Sea Breeze I have touched in Golden Gate Park, except one, have bad capacitor. Some even have medium faster than high. There are also 4 Emerson Summer Night, and none have bad capacitor (one has broken pull chain at high speed).
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Post by Noah C on May 7, 2019 23:37:02 GMT -5
I hope! I'm definitely going to recommend them to my aunt when she decides to replace her 42" Gazebo's on her porch. I don't know if its because they are like on a 9 1/2' ceiling but the 42" ones move no air, both the downrods have rusted but nothing else and the bearings are shot on the one. For years I remember everyone saying before Fanimation got popular in the fan community that Emerson was the best brand and I'm starting to see that perhaps they are, especially since they still have the K55XL!! With brands like Modern Forms and Star Fans among others popping on to the scene, Fanimation releasing consistently exciting fans annually, and Minka Aire pioneering the budget and mid-range segment of fans with great quality at an affordable price, Emerson has gotten a lot less notoriety. But Emerson fans have remained great; they probably have some of the highest quality fans around for each market segment their lineup exists in and it seems that their outdoor fans are no exception from that rule. I wouldn't call them the best because they're among the last ones standing with their K55XL (maybe four years ago I'd be saying something completely different), but they simply produce products that are a cut above most others in terms of all-round quality. The K55XL is a great motor and I really appreciate that Emerson still keeps it around. However, the issue for the K55XL at this point is the emergence of DC motors that are the same size and smaller than the K55XL yet capable of producing amounts of torque that far exceed any AC motor, while using less energy and offering overall better performance for most residential fan applications. For industrial/commercial fans, AC is always better because AC motors are faster than DC motors. I have to say that Fanimation is right with Emerson in just about every way; high-quality products no matter the price. Fanimation does have more excitement surrounding it, however, due to the museum at their headquarters and the fact that their releases are more "on trend" in general. Those 42" Gazebos moved no air on the 9.5' ceiling because they generally move little air. Definitely recommend Emerson Sea Breeze fans for your aunt's porch. It seems for outdoor fans, there is little else of respectable quality and an appealing price. Unless you count Agrifans, but nobody's gonna want to put an industrial on their porch lol. |
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Post by Cole S. on May 8, 2019 21:21:50 GMT -5
That's a great point about blade arms outdoors, things like the Morpheus from Modern Forms are ideal because the blade structure is very solid and there's no weak point. Even things with a hub like the Fanimation Zonix Wet have blade breakage issues because of the weak point where they meet the hub/housing. While the Kichler Surrey was excellent and actually has very beefy arms, I live in a very windy climate so I'd be careful about making selections for my own application. Emerson is fantastic, always. Even I don't talk about them as much because 1: they aren't one of the brands reaching out to work with me anymore, and 2: their retail prices don't typically make them a viable recommendation for me. But I'm on very good terms with them and always enjoy seeing their stuff. They're a little more on-trend this year with some mixed metal intros, etc. and I hear smart fans are supposed to be coming, so they're about to step up right there with Modern Forms and Fanimation on that front. What holds me back is the price, every time. If you can get a deal, great. But at retail, you CAN do better for less these days. Emerson and Casablanca were the pinnacle of quality regardless of price for decades, that's completely out the window now. I'd choose Kichler and Quorum for build. I'd choose Fanimation and Modern Forms for design, performance, and versatility of install as well as the technology aspects. I still like Casablanca for certain more niche categories, like the traditional aspect of the Panama and new DC products like the Aya. I'd choose Matthews or Star for a more specialty product with passion for the design and quality. I'd choose higher end Hunter for very specific niches of design where they offer something nobody else does, or select models within the line where you can get a decent fan at a much lower price. Emerson still has the great build quality, but there's nothing else to help warrant the price when others have stepped up their build. If they'd gotten to smart fans sooner I'd be back onboard with their pricing, but Modern Forms came in and drastically lowered the cost of full accessibility to that market. I'm guessing Emerson's smart products are not going to dip below the $300 mark. In case anybody's unaware, Emerson just sold the Air Comfort Products division to Luminance Brands, parent group of Concord Fans and other lighting brands. While the current plans sound like very little change aside from a new separate office, I'm not sure how I feel about this in the long run, and the sentiment has been similar from some of my other trusted industry friends. It will be interesting to see if anything changes, for better or worse. We will of course not see anything overnight, but it is a big shakeup that doesn't exactly have me particularly excited, as opposed to the way Regency being acquired by Hinkley Lighting definitely did because I think their products will be vastly elevated. Here is the article from Enlightenment: www.enlightenmentmag.com/news/emerson-ceiling-fans-to-join-luminance-family |
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Post by Tais on May 8, 2019 22:44:12 GMT -5
i dont really know, but the most common outdoor ceiling fan used in dubai is hunter maribel
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Post by Cole D on May 8, 2019 22:48:39 GMT -5
That's a great point about blade arms outdoors, things like the Morpheus from Modern Forms are ideal because the blade structure is very solid and there's no weak point. Even things with a hub like the Fanimation Zonix Wet have blade breakage issues because of the weak point where they meet the hub/housing. While the Kichler Surrey was excellent and actually has very beefy arms, I live in a very windy climate so I'd be careful about making selections for my own application. Emerson is fantastic, always. Even I don't talk about them as much because 1: they aren't one of the brands reaching out to work with me anymore, and 2: their retail prices don't typically make them a viable recommendation for me. But I'm on very good terms with them and always enjoy seeing their stuff. They're a little more on-trend this year with some mixed metal intros, etc. and I hear smart fans are supposed to be coming, so they're about to step up right there with Modern Forms and Fanimation on that front. What holds me back is the price, every time. If you can get a deal, great. But at retail, you CAN do better for less these days. Emerson and Casablanca were the pinnacle of quality regardless of price for decades, that's completely out the window now. I'd choose Kichler and Quorum for build. I'd choose Fanimation and Modern Forms for design, performance, and versatility of install as well as the technology aspects. I still like Casablanca for certain more niche categories, like the traditional aspect of the Panama and new DC products like the Aya. I'd choose Matthews or Star for a more specialty product with passion for the design and quality. I'd choose higher end Hunter for very specific niches of design where they offer something nobody else does, or select models within the line where you can get a decent fan at a much lower price. Emerson still has the great build quality, but there's nothing else to help warrant the price when others have stepped up their build. If they'd gotten to smart fans sooner I'd be back onboard with their pricing, but Modern Forms came in and drastically lowered the cost of full accessibility to that market. I'm guessing Emerson's smart products are not going to dip below the $300 mark. In case anybody's unaware, Emerson just sold the Air Comfort Products division to Luminance Brands, parent group of Concord Fans and other lighting brands. While the current plans sound like very little change aside from a new separate office, I'm not sure how I feel about this in the long run, and the sentiment has been similar from some of my other trusted industry friends. It will be interesting to see if anything changes, for better or worse. We will of course not see anything overnight, but it is a big shakeup that doesn't exactly have me particularly excited, as opposed to the way Regency being acquired by Hinkley Lighting definitely did because I think their products will be vastly elevated. Here is the article from Enlightenment: www.enlightenmentmag.com/news/emerson-ceiling-fans-to-join-luminance-familyHmm. I'm not sure how I feel about that either, with the Emerson selling to Luminance brands. Hate seeing an iconic old company like that selling off their fans division. |
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I'm definitely going to recommend them to my aunt when she decides to replace her 42" Gazebo's on her porch. I don't know if its because they are like on a 9 1/2' ceiling but the 42" ones move no air, both the downrods have rusted but nothing else and the bearings are shot on the one.
