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Post by fancollector12 on Sept 8, 2016 0:37:37 GMT -5
I have a new Hunter Carmen in my closet (34") (51003) in nickel that moves give or take about 2,500 CFM. It really depends on the size of the fan and room. For a 42" fan I'd get a Gulf Coast Dixie Belle because they have high-performance motors and are pretty good quality for a spinner motor fan.
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Post by Max C. on Sept 8, 2016 3:17:23 GMT -5
Hunter's lineup of fans mostly has their 172x15mm/172x12mm motor in it, and maybe a few fans with the 153x15mm or 153x12mm. In theory, the former two motors should be enough to drive MDF blades at a 13 degree pitch. The next logical thought would be that Hunter may be putting undersized capacitors in their fans. To my knowledge, Hunter ridden themselves of 172X12 and 172X15 motors for most 52" home center fans several years ago. While values have been "played with" in recent times, the latest models utilize a traditional 5+5+5µF capacitor. |
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Post by Parkman on Sept 8, 2016 6:13:59 GMT -5
I don't go by CFM only I go by actual experience as well. The Beacon Hill moves 235 RPM and flys moving a ton of air. CFM's to me are like fuel economy ratings when you buy a car... They ballpark so you have an estimate but there are so many outside factors as well.
I've bought fans based on CFM and been severely disappointed. Thats why I always use the Summer Breeze vs. Beacon Hill comparison, the Summer Breeze may move more 1,000 CFM because its 10 inches bigger but now were talking blades that are much larger on a same size motor. But when you stand under them both at the same height. You can barely feel the air movement on the Summer Breeze in comparison to the Beacon Hill.
I do agree the Minka Supra Series is an excellent build, however I prefer the look of the Beacon Hill being more traditional. I have had a 32" and the 44" and even the 32" MOVES AIR with its little motor. The 44" was as good, I was just not as happy with it as the finish was sloppily done.
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Post by Parkman on Sept 8, 2016 6:23:37 GMT -5
Hunter's lineup of fans mostly has their 172x15mm/172x12mm motor in it, and maybe a few fans with the 153x15mm or 153x12mm. In theory, the former two motors should be enough to drive MDF blades at a 13 degree pitch. The next logical thought would be that Hunter may be putting undersized capacitors in their fans. To my knowledge, Hunter ridden themselves of 172X12 and 172X15 motors for most 52" home center fans several years ago. While values have been "played with" in recent times, the latest models utilize a traditional 5+5+5µF capacitor. Correct, their core line doesn't even think about having a 153 motor except for the Watson, Low Profile, and some of the newer Aubervilles. Other than that the minimum that they have is a 172x15 or 172x12. The Home Center fans have been 153x15 or 153x12 for at least seven years or so. The Stratfords were the LAST of the decent motors that I'm aware of however I don't know what year they did the switch. I have a 2010 Westminister when before they became 5 Minute Fans and that was a 153x12 and everything from then on was that size I owned. And needless to say they were horrendous... But if you look at the reviews and Max, it may have been you that pointed it out a long time ago on say Home Depots website that the reviews show the decline in Hunters products for their Home Center fans. I was looking at the specs. on a Hunter Highbury once when I was killing time there waiting for my fiance to be done getting paint made... The sales associate came up to me whose been there since I was a little kid and I know knows what he's talking about when it comes to electric... Says "Please don't get that fan, we've had so many come back I don't want to see you waste your time putting it in and then bringing it back cause they've had so many horrendous problems with them". He also stated that the Mariner and the old Stratford line were great as well as the former Low profile and Stonington but it hasn't been since 2011 or so that Hunters made good fans there and that constantly hes wheeling back carts full of Hunters every week that were returned. But meanwhile he said they sell Hampton Bay Clarkstons by the dozen and have rarely any come back... This is just pitiful as someone who appreciates a decently built item as well as a Fan collector (who is more accepting of newer fans than some). |
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Post by Noah C on Sept 8, 2016 7:53:55 GMT -5
I don't go by CFM only I go by actual experience as well. The Beacon Hill moves 235 RPM and flys moving a ton of air. CFM's to me are like fuel economy ratings when you buy a car... They ballpark so you have an estimate but there are so many outside factors as well. I've bought fans based on CFM and been severely disappointed. Thats why I always use the Summer Breeze vs. Beacon Hill comparison, the Summer Breeze may move more 1,000 CFM because its 10 inches bigger but now were talking blades that are much larger on a same size motor. But when you stand under them both at the same height. You can barely feel the air movement on the Summer Breeze in comparison to the Beacon Hill. I do agree the Minka Supra Series is an excellent build, however I prefer the look of the Beacon Hill being more traditional. I have had a 32" and the 44" and even the 32" MOVES AIR with its little motor. The 44" was as good, I was just not as happy with it as the finish was sloppily done. Your beacon hill feels more powerful than your summer breeze because the beacon hill is putting out a similar quantity of air, but is ten inches smaller and is spinning at a faster RPM; therefore, the air is moving at a substantially high wind speed. The beacon Hill will easily be felt compared to a summer breeze, with whatever puny amount of air it will put out. So, I only would use CFM as a consideration if I am comparing extremely powerful fans with each other that are equally matched, and I would utilize wind speed for most everything else. I simply compared the CFM of the 2xxxx and 5xxxx beacon hill just to demonstrate the abhorrent lack of quality hunter puts into most of their fans. Going to the car analogy, I think CFMs are more like 0-60, quarter mile, braking, and figure-eight tests. Performance tests. |
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Post by Sam S on Sept 8, 2016 10:58:03 GMT -5
A steeper blade pitch moves more air, not less. When you compare CFM ratings you need to make sure you're comparing apples to apples! The methods of testing varied over the years, and CFM comparisons are worthless if the blade span is different. The old Concentra with a 16 degree pitch moved 6640 CFM when used with 50" blades as of the most recent test. Sure, the new Panama with the same size motor and 13 degree pitch is rated at 7264 CFM but you have to look at the fine print. Casablanca tested it with a 58" blade span in order to inflate the rating. For a valid comparison we need to look at the CFM rating of the Gallery Edition which comes packaged with 21" blades, for a 52" span. That clocks in at 6393 CFM, less than the old Concentra using the same test methodology, which is what I would expect due to the lesser blade pitch. Of course still an excellent performer and probably not a difference you'd notice.
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