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Post by colts18to88 on Aug 18, 2016 21:51:30 GMT -5
I see so many newer builder-type of fans with sagging blades after being up for just a few years. On the contrary, I have a NuTone Hacienda and NuTone Decorator that hung in the same spot for 28 years and have since been moved with me. The blades on these fans haven't sagged one bit despite being almost 30 years old. The Hacienda in particular has those incredibly sturdy thick teak blades. They are so superior to the paper thin blades on these new fans.
Then there is the issue of motor speed. These two NuTones, along with my 1988 NuTone Elegance that was NIB when I hung it up this spring, are all fast fans (especially the Elegance since I run it with 4 blades instead of 5). Conversely, I've purchased several new Hunters recently and they just don't move to the level of the old NuTones. The Hunters aren't bad looking fans though and I still think they're some of the better newer fans on the market.
I do give Hunter credit for their light kits. They're really putting some snazzy lights on their new fans. To the lay person, that's what makes a newer fan attractive. The schoolhouse and tulip light kits on old fans just look funky to most people compared to the frosted glass that you get with newer fans.
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Post by fancollector12 on Aug 18, 2016 23:58:26 GMT -5
It really depends on what you buy nowadays... the DC motor fans and Emerson K55XL fans are pretty damn hard to beat... Fanimation is the highest quality manufacturer and their fans are actually designed by people. Hunter and Casablanca have both really gone downhill in the past couple of years with the exception of the Original, but I've heard mixed things about their new 212mm spinner (Direct Drive) motors. Nothing's made in the U.S. nowadays, unfortunately. Light kits I really don't know about. Someone else will have to elaborate.
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Post by Noah C on Aug 19, 2016 0:17:34 GMT -5
It really depends on what you buy nowadays... the DC motor fans and Emerson K55XL fans are pretty damn hard to beat... Fanimation is the highest quality manufacturer and their fans are actually designed by people. Hunter and Casablanca have both really gone downhill in the past couple of years with the exception of the Original, but I've heard mixed things about their new 212mm spinner (Direct Drive) motors. Nothing's made in the U.S. nowadays, unfortunately. Light kits I really don't know about. Someone else will have to elaborate. True. Emerson's fans and Fanimation's fans are the highest quality, and consist of the best motors of all right now. Hunter has, unfortunately, gone down the chute, and their high-end-fan subsidiary, Casablanca, began to as well over the past three years. But, Casablanca has made a re-entry into making excellent fans, and has really put a huge emphasis on contemporary fans that impress. So: Fanimation's is essentially the Casablanca of the 21st century, with unique, custom designs, top-notch componentry and motors, and lots of overall brand personality. Emerson has been around for 121 years, and their fans have been rock solid the whole time. Their products' quality just about matches Fanimation's, their fans' designs are very good for their respective categories, and their motors are their specialty. Casablanca was once known as the finest fan manufacturer... Until 2012, where things went downhill. But, Casablanca is back with a slew of contemporary, uniquely designed fans that are extremely well-made. So, Casablanca is really making a turn for the better-and a turn to contemporary fans that put Casablanca up there with the best there is to offer.
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Post by fancollector12 on Aug 19, 2016 0:32:57 GMT -5
Casablanca just doesn't offer the K55-style (XLP) motors anymore (not making any new models with them), so I feel that, until they decide to use the XLP motor and IT again, they're still "downhill".
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Post by Tais on Aug 19, 2016 6:52:21 GMT -5
some difference between old and new fans based on my analysis and experience:
old/new:
motor:
speed (average): slower/faster quality: better/worse winding insulation: gasket that would last/plastic that could crumble after several years winding quality: good/cheap size: bigger/smaller
blades:
width: wider/narrower pitch: more/less air delivery: more/less
other differences arent that important but they are noticeable such as downrod and capacitors and canopies
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Post by colts18to88 on Aug 19, 2016 7:05:30 GMT -5
A relative of mine has four Quorum Capris that are about six years old. I will say that these fans are pretty fast. They're showroom fans, but they aren't bad looking with their cherry blades and solid light kits. I do notice some blade sagging though.
Maybe it's just Hunter who is making noticeably slow fans (particularly on high). I had a 42 inch Four blade Hunter Summer Breeze growing up and that thing was so fast. It just seemed so much more solid than the new ones. I'll always regret not taking it when my family moved, but that was at a point where my interest in ceiling fans had waned. It was renewed when I had the opportunity to snag the NuTones from a relative's house. I was obsessed with the fans as a small kid.
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Post by fan1968 on Aug 19, 2016 7:43:14 GMT -5
I definitely agree. Older fans are better. I think the line of quality stops at 1995.
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Post by colts18to88 on Aug 19, 2016 11:13:32 GMT -5
Yeah, you look at a Hunter catalog from like 1993 and they were still putting out great versions of the Studio Series, Low Profile, Summer Breeze, Coastal Breeze, etc.
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Post by Noah C on Aug 19, 2016 21:08:07 GMT -5
Casablanca just doesn't offer the K55-style (XLP) motors anymore (not making any new models with them), so I feel that, until they decide to use the XLP motor and IT again, they're still "downhill". Vincent, they do still offer them. The Victorian and 19th century have gone through a period of discontinuing, then restarting production. Both are currently in production, according to casablanca's website. And remember, casa does still offer the Panama with the XLP-2000 motor in it, with the new design. So, there are three K55- type fans in their repertoire currently. Intelligence is used in the Victorian and 19th Century, but I don't think it is "better" per se than the new 4-speed control they have. They are both on equal standing for me. Not to dissuade your opinion, but their new contemporary lineup is seriously impressive, and seems to be casablanca's new direction. So while I think they went downhill between 2012-2015, I think they have gone uphill since, though not to where they were in 2000.
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Post by Noah C on Aug 19, 2016 21:10:58 GMT -5
I definitely agree. Older fans are better. I think the line of quality stops at 1995. I don't think it has anything to do with when the fan was made, as there are brands like Fanimation, Emerson, And even Casablanca who make high quality fans. Some Emersons and Fanimations of the world are easily on par with good fans of the 1990s and 80s.
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Post by Parkman on Aug 19, 2016 22:10:28 GMT -5
I'll throw my two cents in here now.
The Casablanca argument I feel can be placed in any area of time between 2004-Present depending on how you look at it. Casablanca blessed us with XLP-2000 Fans up until in reality 2013 when the new Panama line came out. The XLP line of the Hunterized Panama was there but I read it was discontinued for next year, leaving Fanimation and Emerson as the only producers of K55 fans until the stock of Victorians and so forth run out of the Casablanca warehouse. With that said, in 2004 a selection of new models came out using the direct drive motor and from that point on the run of the mill motor was the Direct Drive, with other XLP models coming out occasionally like the Vita or Holliston.
I mean new fans and old fans have their advantages alot of the sentiment comes with the childhood element as well as experimentation as one builds a collection they see the difference in metals and blade materials, etc. which can show the respect to an old Four Seasons or something vs. a new Fordham.
I own a 1998 Redington II by Hampton Bay... 188x20 motor, plywood blades, limited hum. Was a great fan for my bedroom growing up.. Is it a concentra? Well it doesn't have veneer blades or thick cast housings.. However did it move as much air as a Concentra I owned? Yes (If not more) did the blades or irons droop/flex? Nope, Was the Redington II loud? Only on low did it have a slight hum. Was the concentra loud? By far it was the second noisiest non bearing problem fan did I ever encounter... A complete waste of $170 or whatever I paid for it and needless to say I sold it on Craigslist and got most of my money back. And meanwhile my Hampton Bay I still own and cherish in my collection.
A Hampton Bay today, besides the Lodge, Colonial Bamboo, and a few other Air Cool made fans what ones are decent and would I stand up for? Not many, even King of Fans ones because they don't have that quality in them that actually move air.
Casablanca like Emerson and Fanimation still knows what they are doing as a fan company because they have the materials and engineering that back them up in regards to using your brain to proportion motor sizes and all to a fan much better than most other companies. Hunter is a disgrace, the only model I truly stand up for is the Bayport/Beacon Hill lines because they move a ton of air.
The thing is Hunter uses two motors they have their 172 Whisperwind and then the 153. The 172 is in most models in their core line like the Beacon Hill, Studio Series, Hudson, etc. While the 153 goes in all home center based fans like the Stratford, Westminster, etc. of recent years and they are complete garbage. I've compared the capacitors too in which if we take a 2012 Beacon Hill its Identical to a 2012 Studio Series and with this comes the same motor as well. Now the Beacon HIll has 5 MDF blades and the Studio Series has HWPW-CC (Composite Core) blades that give a ten inch longer blade span and are almost double the width. Think about powering a Ford Fusion with a four cylinder engine vs. an F-250... Lots of difference there with the same power.
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Post by Max C. on Aug 20, 2016 16:01:46 GMT -5
Parkman, you have provided us with excellent insights...then again, that is not unusual for you The Casablanca argument I feel can be placed in any area of time between 2004-Present depending on how you look at it. Casablanca blessed us with XLP-2000 Fans up until in reality 2013 when the new Panama line came out. The XLP line of the Hunterized Panama was there but I read it was discontinued for next year, leaving Fanimation and Emerson as the only producers of K55 fans until the stock of Victorians and so forth run out of the Casablanca warehouse. With that said, in 2004 a selection of new models came out using the direct drive motor and from that point on the run of the mill motor was the Direct Drive, with other XLP models coming out occasionally like the Vita or Holliston. It has been asked before, however I feel it is worth asking again - realistically, how long will the production of stack motor fans continue? And, of course, why not sell classic Casablanca models alongside the updated versions? I own a 1998 Redington II by Hampton Bay... 188x20 motor, plywood blades, limited hum. Was a great fan for my bedroom growing up.. Is it a concentra? Well it doesn't have veneer blades or thick cast housings.. However did it move as much air as a Concentra I owned? Yes (If not more) did the blades or irons droop/flex? Nope, Was the Redington II loud? Only on low did it have a slight hum. Was the concentra loud? By far it was the second noisiest non bearing problem fan did I ever encounter... A complete waste of $170 or whatever I paid for it and needless to say I sold it on Craigslist and got most of my money back. And meanwhile my Hampton Bay I still own and cherish in my collection. Hampton Bay Redington III owner here. By the sound of it (pun intended), your Redington II is considerably quieter. A Hampton Bay today, besides the Lodge, Colonial Bamboo, and a few other Air Cool made fans what ones are decent and would I stand up for? Not many, even King of Fans ones because they don't have that quality in them that actually move air. To provide credit where it due, King Of Fans does continue to produce a handful (albeit a rather insignificant one) of fans which move a decent amount of air. It is worth noting these models are rather expensive and obscure, however they are in existence. Casablanca like Emerson and Fanimation still knows what they are doing as a fan company because they have the materials and engineering that back them up in regards to using your brain to proportion motor sizes and all to a fan much better than most other companies. Hunter is a disgrace, the only model I truly stand up for is the Bayport/Beacon Hill lines because they move a ton of air. Yes! Too often, fan manufacturers make a copious effort to reduce costs by skimping on materials (motor size included). I cannot imagine people who live in areas with hot climates are particularly pleased with this! The thing is Hunter uses two motors they have their 172 Whisperwind and then the 153. The 172 is in most models in their core line like the Beacon Hill, Studio Series, Hudson, etc. While the 153 goes in all home center based fans like the Stratford, Westminster, etc. of recent years and they are complete garbage. I've compared the capacitors too in which if we take a 2012 Beacon Hill its Identical to a 2012 Studio Series and with this comes the same motor as well. Now the Beacon HIll has 5 MDF blades and the Studio Series has HWPW-CC (Composite Core) blades that give a ten inch longer blade span and are almost double the width. Think about powering a Ford Fusion with a four cylinder engine vs. an F-250... Lots of difference there with the same power. I could not have explained this in a superior manner. What is particularly depressing is that some of these home center Hunters cost double that of a far superior builder fan
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Post by Parkman on Aug 20, 2016 17:59:45 GMT -5
Parkman, you have provided us with excellent insights...then again, that is not unusual for you The Casablanca argument I feel can be placed in any area of time between 2004-Present depending on how you look at it. Casablanca blessed us with XLP-2000 Fans up until in reality 2013 when the new Panama line came out. The XLP line of the Hunterized Panama was there but I read it was discontinued for next year, leaving Fanimation and Emerson as the only producers of K55 fans until the stock of Victorians and so forth run out of the Casablanca warehouse. With that said, in 2004 a selection of new models came out using the direct drive motor and from that point on the run of the mill motor was the Direct Drive, with other XLP models coming out occasionally like the Vita or Holliston. It has been asked before, however I feel it is worth asking again - realistically, how long will the production of stack motor fans continue? And, of course, why not sell classic Casablanca models alongside the updated versions? I own a 1998 Redington II by Hampton Bay... 188x20 motor, plywood blades, limited hum. Was a great fan for my bedroom growing up.. Is it a concentra? Well it doesn't have veneer blades or thick cast housings.. However did it move as much air as a Concentra I owned? Yes (If not more) did the blades or irons droop/flex? Nope, Was the Redington II loud? Only on low did it have a slight hum. Was the concentra loud? By far it was the second noisiest non bearing problem fan did I ever encounter... A complete waste of $170 or whatever I paid for it and needless to say I sold it on Craigslist and got most of my money back. And meanwhile my Hampton Bay I still own and cherish in my collection. Hampton Bay Redington III owner here. By the sound of it (pun intended), your Redington II is considerably quieter. A Hampton Bay today, besides the Lodge, Colonial Bamboo, and a few other Air Cool made fans what ones are decent and would I stand up for? Not many, even King of Fans ones because they don't have that quality in them that actually move air. To provide credit where it due, King Of Fans does continue to produce a handful (albeit a rather insignificant one) of fans which move a decent amount of air. It is worth noting these models are rather expensive and obscure, however they are in existence. Casablanca like Emerson and Fanimation still knows what they are doing as a fan company because they have the materials and engineering that back them up in regards to using your brain to proportion motor sizes and all to a fan much better than most other companies. Hunter is a disgrace, the only model I truly stand up for is the Bayport/Beacon Hill lines because they move a ton of air. Yes! Too often, fan manufacturers make a copious effort to reduce costs by skimping on materials (motor size included). I cannot imagine people who live in areas with hot climates are particularly pleased with this! The thing is Hunter uses two motors they have their 172 Whisperwind and then the 153. The 172 is in most models in their core line like the Beacon Hill, Studio Series, Hudson, etc. While the 153 goes in all home center based fans like the Stratford, Westminster, etc. of recent years and they are complete garbage. I've compared the capacitors too in which if we take a 2012 Beacon Hill its Identical to a 2012 Studio Series and with this comes the same motor as well. Now the Beacon HIll has 5 MDF blades and the Studio Series has HWPW-CC (Composite Core) blades that give a ten inch longer blade span and are almost double the width. Think about powering a Ford Fusion with a four cylinder engine vs. an F-250... Lots of difference there with the same power. I could not have explained this in a superior manner. What is particularly depressing is that some of these home center Hunters cost double that of a far superior builder fan Oh Max, you're making me blush haha My quote feature is acting a little wonky so I'll just put everything here on the bottom. I recall reading something on here but can't remember the exact time period. I look at it like how our (US) government is regulating mileage and many manufacturers are phasing out V8 engines, however with cars V6's and 4 cylinders can take some of the makes and models but a 2.7L Ecoboost in an F-150 to me is too small just like how so many outdoor fans I've looked at have 153 motors it just isn't proportioned with the weight is done so wrong. I think I'm going to start an outdoor fan thread after I type this up to discuss them because everything is JUNK. The Redington II was my bedroom fan from 1999-2008 when I got a NIB Panama II from my parents. I believe from what I remember Perrey Z. telling me and my own Research was that the Redington II was Air Cool and had the big motor and real blades then the III went to King of Fans and downsized the motor than the IV was a combo of KOF and Air Cool and that they both did them even cheaper. My Aunt and Uncle have a Redington IV and it is awul but they got it for free. My uncle acquired a Panama Pull Chain for that room and I asked him if he was going to put it in... His response was that he was waiting for the Redington IV to get dusty again cause he just cleaned it although as a former Electrician he knows the quality and Co$t of a Casablanca Fan. Which KOF ones would they be? I have had horrendous luck with anything made by them. While I'm on this, Is the Quick Connect made by King Of Fans? I always assumed they were SMC made cause there was the similar looking model on SMC's old website but thought I'd throw that out there. I think the thing that a lot of Hunters stuff is now "air conditionized" if you will. My parents don't use central air, so living here in the summer is a nightmare unless you sleep in our finished basement. Granted if its under 90 I will sleep in my room under my Panama. Now like all of us cheer, the Panama is a well built fan in all regards... However the Panama is built like a FAN, something that moves air and cools you regardless if the air is on or you are under it. Flashforward over to Home Depot where they used to have the 44" Stratford II. Normal fan moves some air but not much when we had it in our garage before it got to loud for my tastes and went off to Ebay. The garage wasn't air conditioned, the fan was at an appropriate height but didn't move that much air. Go over to my Aunt and Uncles where the air is on and obviously it is going to feel much more like a better air moving fan cause the air is already cold... Last spring, my grandmother moved to my aunts house nearby. I was in charge of her move and renovations of her new living quarters. Traditionally I would have gotten something better but with my aunts style for a shared storage room and a Home Depot store credit I needed to find something under 44" that wasn't a hugger. With my continuous observations of Hunters HD/Lowes fans being crappier than some Hampton Bays they were all out of the running. One did catch my eye however, the Holden. I thought thats a nice traditional fan minus the blades and the fact I hate bowl light kits. I looked at the CFM's and at 3300 on High and so forth I wondered how on earth could people buy these... But then again I thought how many people are going to have their air conditioner set on 68 and the fan will just spin the cold A/C around or blow down the hot air not mattering that the blades are horrendously designed from MDF which my biggest pet peeve on any fan whether it be from 1700 or 2200 it does not need to be veneered but it should be PLYWOOD based at the minimum. But that the fan isn't being used as a FAN its being used as a circulatory device for central air or heat. Builderfans are always interest me. I've seen so many nice and expensive houses be built and then they cheap out and get the cheapest fan you could think of while the cabinets alone cost more than some peoples first houses. I mean what is a good builder fan? And what is the proper price to pay? I've seen and heard of some people buying a craftmade or kitchler builder fan for over $100. Meanwhile, I bought a Panama Damp with Blades NIB last month for $112 on ebay from a dealer. And another thing I was thinking is when did the "builder fan" start? I had a discussion on here years ago when I was a member (before school took mover my life!) and we were discussing Palm Air's being builder fans as they were a house fan for 84 Lumber. Meanwhile the Palm Air is probably on par to a present day Minka Aire Supra in many ways in terms of materials and motor size. I mean a 188x20 motor in a "builder fan"? Or was it not until the late 80's early 90's when say the Alpine fan by Casablanca or Airflow or whoever came out... Food for thought is all I'm saying. Time to get some discussion back on this forum!
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Post by Max C. on Aug 20, 2016 22:02:26 GMT -5
Oh Max, you're making me blush haha Too much information! Just kidding My quote feature is acting a little wonky so I'll just put everything here on the bottom. I shall quote you on that... I recall reading something on here but can't remember the exact time period. I look at it like how our (US) government is regulating mileage and many manufacturers are phasing out V8 engines, however with cars V6's and 4 cylinders can take some of the makes and models but a 2.7L Ecoboost in an F-150 to me is too small just like how so many outdoor fans I've looked at have 153 motors it just isn't proportioned with the weight is done so wrong. I think I'm going to start an outdoor fan thread after I type this up to discuss them because everything is JUNK. While government regulations could certainly influence motor size, this alone is far from the only factor. Outsourcing to China can no longer even be considered a viable scapegoat due to this practice occurring for the length of time that it has. In my eyes, plain stinginess on behalf of fan companies is to blame. The Redington II was my bedroom fan from 1999-2008 when I got a NIB Panama II from my parents. I believe from what I remember Perrey Z. telling me and my own Research was that the Redington II was Air Cool and had the big motor and real blades then the III went to King of Fans and downsized the motor than the IV was a combo of KOF and Air Cool and that they both did them even cheaper. My Aunt and Uncle have a Redington IV and it is awul but they got it for free. My uncle acquired a Panama Pull Chain for that room and I asked him if he was going to put it in... His response was that he was waiting for the Redington IV to get dusty again cause he just cleaned it although as a former Electrician he knows the quality and Co$t of a Casablanca Fan. The Redington III I own, while far from silent, boasts a 188X20 motor, surprisingly enough. The Redington IV, on the other hand, utilizes a mere 153X18 motor and is know for its copious issues. Which KOF ones would they be? I have had horrendous luck with anything made by them. From my experience, the Hampton Bay Covington (manufactured by yours truly, The King) is rather decent for a Home Depot fan. Upon installation, it blew an impressive amount of air, and produced minimal noise. The only real complaint I have are the fan's blades (being that they are MDF and were not completely balanced out-of-box). I have a video if you are interested. Hampton Bay Windward IIIs are also reasonable. From their current selection, the Altura is passable, however those tend to produce an unnecessary annoying hum. While I'm on this, Is the Quick Connect made by King Of Fans? I always assumed they were SMC made cause there was the similar looking model on SMC's old website but thought I'd throw that out there. To my knowledge, both. I have seen early Quick Connects (branded Commercial Electric at the time) which listed an SMC UL file number. However, most were (and still are up here in Canada) produced by Fan Royalty. I think the thing that a lot of Hunters stuff is now "air conditionized" if you will. My parents don't use central air, so living here in the summer is a nightmare unless you sleep in our finished basement. Granted if its under 90 I will sleep in my room under my Panama. Now like all of us cheer, the Panama is a well built fan in all regards... However the Panama is built like a FAN, something that moves air and cools you regardless if the air is on or you are under it. Flashforward over to Home Depot where they used to have the 44" Stratford II. Normal fan moves some air but not much when we had it in our garage before it got to loud for my tastes and went off to Ebay. The garage wasn't air conditioned, the fan was at an appropriate height but didn't move that much air. Go over to my Aunt and Uncles where the air is on and obviously it is going to feel much more like a better air moving fan cause the air is already cold... Last spring, my grandmother moved to my aunts house nearby. I was in charge of her move and renovations of her new living quarters. Traditionally I would have gotten something better but with my aunts style for a shared storage room and a Home Depot store credit I needed to find something under 44" that wasn't a hugger. With my continuous observations of Hunters HD/Lowes fans being crappier than some Hampton Bays they were all out of the running. One did catch my eye however, the Holden. I thought thats a nice traditional fan minus the blades and the fact I hate bowl light kits. I looked at the CFM's and at 3300 on High and so forth I wondered how on earth could people buy these... But then again I thought how many people are going to have their air conditioner set on 68 and the fan will just spin the cold A/C around or blow down the hot air not mattering that the blades are horrendously designed from MDF which my biggest pet peeve on any fan whether it be from 1700 or 2200 it does not need to be veneered but it should be PLYWOOD based at the minimum. But that the fan isn't being used as a FAN its being used as a circulatory device for central air or heat. Now this is a thought I previously had neglected to consider. It makes perfect sense - these days, an increasing amount of companies fans clearly state that they can be used in conjunction with an air conditioner. Yes, of course they can, however such logic is no excuse for producing a fan which is useless in and of itself. In terms of Hunter Holdens, what do you expect from uber-wide blades and a 153X12 motor Builderfans are always interest me. I've seen so many nice and expensive houses be built and then they cheap out and get the cheapest fan you could think of while the cabinets alone cost more than some peoples first houses. I mean what is a good builder fan? And what is the proper price to pay? I've seen and heard of some people buying a craftmade or kitchler builder fan for over $100. Meanwhile, I bought a Panama Damp with Blades NIB last month for $112 on ebay from a dealer. And another thing I was thinking is when did the "builder fan" start? I had a discussion on here years ago when I was a member (before school took mover my life!) and we were discussing Palm Air's being builder fans as they were a house fan for 84 Lumber. Meanwhile the Palm Air is probably on par to a present day Minka Aire Supra in many ways in terms of materials and motor size. I mean a 188x20 motor in a "builder fan"? Or was it not until the late 80's early 90's when say the Alpine fan by Casablanca or Airflow or whoever came out... Food for thought is all I'm saying. Time to get some discussion back on this forum! Technically, any ceiling fan frequently installed in new developments is a "builder fan." Regarding the context which most collectors associate with basic, lackluster models, this trend likely began in the late 80's. While highly ironic that said fans can be spotted in the fanciest of homes, such residences typically include air conditioning. Going with your prior input, would most individuals care if their fans alone were next to useless on high speed? If you ask me, such a fan absolutely should not cost above $100.00
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Post by Cole D on Aug 20, 2016 23:58:23 GMT -5
While I wasn't part of this discussion i'd have to agree on a lot of points.
I too was thinking late 80s on builder fans. When I think of the type I think of builder vent or footprint vent fans with thin housings and small motors. Stuff like Halsey or CEC made fans. Really I don't think a lot of houses upuntil that time had ceiling fans as standard features. Fans were often sold as improvement items to add value to a home and think of all the swag kits, etc.
I would go almost as far as to say Hunters and Casablancas were never installed by builders as the norm. Imported Hunters in more recent years yes but except for the odd Original here or there I think if they were installed it was chosen by the owner.
This is the reason there are so many builder fans in high end homes. Although I think it is common to see fans from Monte Carlo or Minka Aire rather than Hampton Bay or Harbor Breeze in them.
Finally "air conditionized" ceiling fans make sense. The same thing in a way is true with portable fans. The old ones had to be powerful as they were all you had. Newer ones after a/c became the norm started to become less powerful and more for personal cooling or air circulation.
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