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Post by cowtownhorn on Jun 27, 2016 2:31:40 GMT -5
Emerson Premium Select. K55XL motor. Hansen claims 4mph windspeed.
Can't get a straight answer from anyone on just how long it will go at 4mph.
Yes, moron newby here has Hunters dying on him..."hunters a good fan"...but, at least took the time and effort to bother people who actually know.
We plan on not leaving this house. So I'd like to know if I'm spending 500 on a fan I might have to replace it only once (42).
Otherwise I'm going Fanimation Edgewood, and hope to replace once. With whoever is making ceiling fans in the late 2030's (ugh).
Bedroom fan, assume 12h daily (in TX).
Am I expecting too much from the K55XL?
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Post by Noah C on Jun 27, 2016 4:54:19 GMT -5
Emerson Premium Select. K55XL motor. Hansen claims 4mph windspeed. Can't get a straight answer from anyone on just how long it will go at 4mph. Yes, moron newby here has Hunters dying on him..."hunters a good fan"...but, at least took the time and effort to bother people who actually know. We plan on not leaving this house. So I'd like to know if I'm spending 500 on a fan I might have to replace it only once (42). Otherwise I'm going Fanimation Edgewood, and hope to replace once. With whoever is making ceiling fans in the late 2030's (ugh). Bedroom fan, assume 12h daily (in TX). Am I expecting too much from the K55XL? Are you talking about the reliability of a fan with a K55XL motor? They are usually very reliable motors, as the quality of the components inside of the motor (I.e. copper windings, driveshaft, possibly stronger magnets, better quality bearings) is higher than most other ceiling fans. You can run your fan daily, almost nonstop for years on end with no such problems. However, there are fans that do have K55-type/stack motors that are just as well built, that are less expensive than $500. Even for a new fan, that is quite a pretty penny to drop. Here is a fan that would meet your criteria, and is currently at a deep discount: www.ebay.com/itm/111136835106 even this is quite expensive, but decent considering how this fan is made, the type of motor it utilizes, and how they compare to what you are considering spending half a grand on. However, there is a type of fan that will run and run, and some are still running like new after being utilized for more than 60 years- as long as you keep them oiled. This would be the hunter original, the last really high quality fan from hunter (not counting Casablanca products, as Casablanca is owned by hunter). They still make them today, but they are about $500 new, and you don't want to buy the new ones over the older ones. Why? Because since 2002, hunter has been manufacturing their originals in China (not that it matters, and not that it is bad that it is made in China) but instead of using the same type of motor that hunter was using before 2002, they switched to a skeletal type motor that takes oil. That is basically a spinner motor with a "skeletal" outer casing. This is the fan I am talking about: www.ebay.com/itm/331887864474 Also, on a side note, I think this is Jon W's fan. He is a moderator on this forum, by the way. The hunter original in its current form: www.ebay.com/itm/111758764649In about the late 80s/early 90s, hunter originals became 4/5 blade, like today's variant. I think there was a rare 5-blade only original in one production year. The older original is from 1985, when they were still four-blade-only. |
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Post by Brian L. on Jun 27, 2016 10:18:34 GMT -5
Stack motor fans are high quality motors that will run flawlessly for many many years to come. The only problem you may come across is a Broken Flywheel or bearing noise, but that is quite rare to see, also to say the parts are repairable. I would recommend these fans for a heavy/daily use.
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Post by Obi-Wan Canopy on Jun 27, 2016 11:35:42 GMT -5
All motors are stack motors.
I'd pick Fanimation over Emerson.
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Post by Sam S on Jun 27, 2016 18:44:36 GMT -5
Noah, the Panama you linked has an XTR motor, not K55-type. The XTR motor is very powerful, but noisy. And that Original you linked can't be JW's, it says it ships directly from the Hunter warehouse.
OP, the Emerson Premium Select is an excellent choice. They are very well built and the motors inside will pretty much run forever. The blades attach to a rubber flywheel, which could break over time, but on Emerson this part is really easy to replace yourself. The 3 speed pullchain control system they use is tried and true, not much to go wrong except the capacitor, which is very cheap to replace and again, very easy to do yourself.
You can't go wrong with the Fanimation Edgewood either. In my opinion, it's probably the best value fan on the market. You're getting a motor as powerful as some fans that are twice as expensive, with the performance to match. The Emerson is just a bit of a step up in quietness, serviceability, and build quality.
There are plenty of other good fans on the market, but if I were to give an overview of all of them I would be writing forever. But I'm happy to give a thumbs up to both of the fans you mentioned.
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Post by Jordan U on Jun 27, 2016 22:02:56 GMT -5
Emerson makes one of the best motors available today.. If you want a modern fan,, that is a plenty good choice..
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Post by JW on Jun 27, 2016 22:36:14 GMT -5
Emerson Premium Select. K55XL motor. Hansen claims 4mph windspeed. Can't get a straight answer from anyone on just how long it will go at 4mph. Yes, moron newby here has Hunters dying on him..."hunters a good fan"...but, at least took the time and effort to bother people who actually know. We plan on not leaving this house. So I'd like to know if I'm spending 500 on a fan I might have to replace it only once (42). Otherwise I'm going Fanimation Edgewood, and hope to replace once. With whoever is making ceiling fans in the late 2030's (ugh). Bedroom fan, assume 12h daily (in TX). Am I expecting too much from the K55XL? Any Emerson with a K55XL or similar motor is very high quality and well worth the money. No need to worry about leaving it on high for extended periods of time. Fanimation uses a similar motor so either would be a good choice. As for Hunter, welllll... they've gone down the toilet for the most part. Noah, the Panama you linked has an XTR motor, not K55-type. The XTR motor is very powerful, but noisy. And that Original you linked can't be JW's, it says it ships directly from the Hunter warehouse. The Original (white with oak blades) is mine and nowhere did I say it ships directly from the Hunter warehouse. I just checked out the listing, not logged in, and clicked on shipping to make sure. It says that it ships from Waco, Texas, where I live. The SECOND original he posted "the Original in its current form" is shown as shipping directly from the warehouse. |
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Post by fancollector12 on Jun 28, 2016 0:38:17 GMT -5
The Emerson Premium Select is my favorite K55-style fan on the market right now. Another good choice is the Casablanca Panama XLP, but I'd go with the Emerson to be honest. Emerson's DC EcoMotor moves a ton of air, and does it silently. The downside to a K55-style fan is that the rubber flywheel (the part you attach the blades to) could possibly dry rot in 20-30 years and become brittle, so if you plan on keeping the fan running all the time and never turning it off, then a K55-style fan isn't the best choice.
The DC EcoMotor from Emerson moves as much air, if not more, than a K55, and is super silent, I know from experience because I own both a K55-style fan (pre-2013 Casablanca Panama w/ the XLP-2000 motor) and an Emerson fan with the DC EcoMotor (Emerson Midway ECO) and the DC EcoMotor is a bit quieter and moves a bit more air. Both are around the same price, but the DC EcoMotor uses less energy and requires less maintenance. Both are good choices. The Emerson BladeSelect series of fans allow you to choose which blades you want with your motor (blades are sold separately) so you can create your own unique style.
You should also take into account if you're adding any accessories (remote or wall controls, extension (down) rods, light kits, etc.) because it'll be more than $500 if you're looking at adding those accessories. Some fans, however, include accessories.
In regards to the (Fanimation) Edgewood, that's also a good fan, and Fanimation has great customer service, but it still has what is called a "spinner" motor (where the entire motor (not the housing) inside the fan rotates, whereas with a K55-style motor the flywheel is the only part that spins, the motor itself is stationary, and only the parts inside of it rotate to spin the rod the flywheel is screwed onto). "Spinner" motors are generally noisier to that there is a metal-to-metal connection of the blade arm to the motor, as opposed to a K55-style motor, which is a metal-to-rubber connection, and the flywheel acts as an isolation piece to prevent the transfer of vibration through the motor and motor housing, canopy, etc. Also, it's easier to maintain a K55-style motor since a "spinner" motor is entirely enclosed and CANNOT easily be opened.
Given, most DC and K55 style motors carry with them a lifetime motor warranty, so if anything goes wrong it the motor (unlikely), the manufacturer will repair or replace the fan free of charge.
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Post by Noah C on Jun 28, 2016 1:58:18 GMT -5
The Emerson Premium Select is my favorite K55-style fan on the market right now. Another good choice is the Casablanca Panama XLP, but I'd go with the Emerson to be honest. Emerson's DC EcoMotor moves a ton of air, and does it silently. The downside to a K55-style fan is that the rubber flywheel (the part you attach the blades to) could possibly dry rot in 20-30 years and become brittle, so if you plan on keeping the fan running all the time and never turning it off, then a K55-style fan isn't the best choice. The DC EcoMotor from Emerson moves as much air, if not more, than a K55, and is super silent, I know from experience because I own both a K55-style fan (pre-2013 Casablanca Panama w/ the XLP-2000 motor) and an Emerson fan with the DC EcoMotor (Emerson Midway ECO) and the DC EcoMotor is a bit quieter and moves a bit more air. Both are around the same price, but the DC EcoMotor uses less energy and requires less maintenance. Both are good choices. The Emerson BladeSelect series of fans allow you to choose which blades you want with your motor (blades are sold separately) so you can create your own unique style. You should also take into account if you're adding any accessories (remote or wall controls, extension (down) rods, light kits, etc.) because it'll be more than $500 if you're looking at adding those accessories. Some fans, however, include accessories. In regards to the (Fanimation) Edgewood, that's also a good fan, and Fanimation has great customer service, but it still has what is called a "spinner" motor (where the entire motor (not the housing) inside the fan rotates, whereas with a K55-style motor the flywheel is the only part that spins, the motor itself is stationary, and only the parts inside of it rotate to spin the rod the flywheel is screwed onto). "Spinner" motors are generally noisier to that there is a metal-to-metal connection of the blade arm to the motor, as opposed to a K55-style motor, which is a metal-to-rubber connection, and the flywheel acts as an isolation piece to prevent the transfer of vibration through the motor and motor housing, canopy, etc. Also, it's easier to maintain a K55-style motor since a "spinner" motor is entirely enclosed and CANNOT easily be opened. Given, most DC and K55 style motors carry with them a lifetime motor warranty, so if anything goes wrong it the motor (unlikely), the manufacturer will repair or replace the fan free of charge. Perfectly said. |
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Post by fancollector12 on Jun 28, 2016 2:31:30 GMT -5
The Emerson Premium Select is my favorite K55-style fan on the market right now. Another good choice is the Casablanca Panama XLP, but I'd go with the Emerson to be honest. Emerson's DC EcoMotor moves a ton of air, and does it silently. The downside to a K55-style fan is that the rubber flywheel (the part you attach the blades to) could possibly dry rot in 20-30 years and become brittle, so if you plan on keeping the fan running all the time and never turning it off, then a K55-style fan isn't the best choice. The DC EcoMotor from Emerson moves as much air, if not more, than a K55, and is super silent, I know from experience because I own both a K55-style fan (pre-2013 Casablanca Panama w/ the XLP-2000 motor) and an Emerson fan with the DC EcoMotor (Emerson Midway ECO) and the DC EcoMotor is a bit quieter and moves a bit more air. Both are around the same price, but the DC EcoMotor uses less energy and requires less maintenance. Both are good choices. The Emerson BladeSelect series of fans allow you to choose which blades you want with your motor (blades are sold separately) so you can create your own unique style. You should also take into account if you're adding any accessories (remote or wall controls, extension (down) rods, light kits, etc.) because it'll be more than $500 if you're looking at adding those accessories. Some fans, however, include accessories. In regards to the (Fanimation) Edgewood, that's also a good fan, and Fanimation has great customer service, but it still has what is called a "spinner" motor (where the entire motor (not the housing) inside the fan rotates, whereas with a K55-style motor the flywheel is the only part that spins, the motor itself is stationary, and only the parts inside of it rotate to spin the rod the flywheel is screwed onto). "Spinner" motors are generally noisier to that there is a metal-to-metal connection of the blade arm to the motor, as opposed to a K55-style motor, which is a metal-to-rubber connection, and the flywheel acts as an isolation piece to prevent the transfer of vibration through the motor and motor housing, canopy, etc. Also, it's easier to maintain a K55-style motor since a "spinner" motor is entirely enclosed and CANNOT easily be opened. Given, most DC and K55 style motors carry with them a lifetime motor warranty, so if anything goes wrong it the motor (unlikely), the manufacturer will repair or replace the fan free of charge. Perfectly said. Thanks, LOL  |
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Post by Noah C on Jun 28, 2016 2:32:28 GMT -5
Thanks, LOL I gotta give credit where it's due, right? |
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Post by fancollector12 on Jun 28, 2016 2:33:40 GMT -5
Thanks, LOL I gotta give credit where it's due, right? Yup! Thats what they say at least.  |
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Post by Noah C on Jun 28, 2016 2:35:10 GMT -5
I gotta give credit where it's due, right? Yup! Thats what they say at least. True lol I apologize, I did not mean to link an XTR panama. And all fans do have stack motors, as every motor has a stack height. K55 type motor fans usually run for a very long time. And the original I linked is Jon's, as he linked a demo video of the fan, and I could tell that it was him talking. OP, K55-style motors are usually better built than most "spinner" style motors, because the components utilized are of higher quality, and they are usually easier to repair. They are also quieter because the "spinner" motor's outer casing is the part that spins, and the blades are mounted directly to that casing, so metal to metal, unlike the K55-style motor, with the exterior that is stationary and a driveshaft that spins, that the rubber flywheel attaches to. They are good for nonstop use for years on end, and better for that kind of use when compared to a "spinner" or "pancake" motor fan. You just have to replace the flywheel when it cracks/gets brittle. Casablanca uses this type of motor in their Panama XLP, and fanimation uses this motor in their islander, their mix and match fan, and their more exotic fans. Like Vincent said, Emerson also makes a DC motor called the Ecomotor, and their fans with that motor usually move a little more air than their K55-style motor counterparts, while using about 1/3 the energy. However, airflow is more important than watts used because when you have a fan that moves a lot of air but uses, say, 20 more watts doing so than a fan that is very efficient but moves less air, you still save more money with the higher-performance fan because the higher- performance fan lowers the ambient temperature of the room more so than the lower performance one, and you end up spending less money on A/C. Here is an Emerson Premium, not the premium select version you mentioned, OP. The difference is that the standard premium (was replaced by the premium select and is now discontinued) has the older K55 motor, which looks different compared to the newer and improved K55XL, and has a shorter stack height than the K55XL, which is why the newer K55 has the "XL" moniker. Here is the link to a heavily discounted Premium: m.ebay.com/itm/EMERSON-50-Ceiling-Fan-Premium-Barbeque-Black-CF4800BQ-B52DC-Dk-Cherry-Blades-/381491782664? |
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Post by Noah C on Jun 28, 2016 2:36:14 GMT -5
Noah, the Panama you linked has an XTR motor, not K55-type. The XTR motor is very powerful, but noisy. And that Original you linked can't be JW's, it says it ships directly from the Hunter warehouse. OP, the Emerson Premium Select is an excellent choice. They are very well built and the motors inside will pretty much run forever. The blades attach to a rubber flywheel, which could break over time, but on Emerson this part is really easy to replace yourself. The 3 speed pullchain control system they use is tried and true, not much to go wrong except the capacitor, which is very cheap to replace and again, very easy to do yourself. You can't go wrong with the Fanimation Edgewood either. In my opinion, it's probably the best value fan on the market. You're getting a motor as powerful as some fans that are twice as expensive, with the performance to match. The Emerson is just a bit of a step up in quietness, serviceability, and build quality. There are plenty of other good fans on the market, but if I were to give an overview of all of them I would be writing forever. But I'm happy to give a thumbs up to both of the fans you mentioned. ^^^The above statement is my original reply to you, minus the "True lol" part. |
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Post by Sam S on Jun 28, 2016 8:14:42 GMT -5
My bad, I didn't realize at first there were two different Original links. Now that you cleaned up the post it's much more clear.
Vincent, I agree with most of your post, but I disagree that a K55XL would a bad choice for someone who runs the fan all the time. The flywheel breaking really isn't a big deal. The flywheel Emerson uses is very durable, it's a very easy to find part, it isn't expensive, and it's super easy to replace. With Emerson fans, you don't even need to take down the fan to do it.
The DC fans are also nice, and it's impressive how much air they move with so little power, and how quietly they do it. My main concern with them is the electronics. If they die, it's a much more expensive fix than just replacing a flywheel. Plus, the flywheel Emerson uses has been used on many different fans from multiple brands over the years, so chances are high that it will remain available well into the future. The DC electronics, on the other hand, tend to be more model specific and change a lot with time. 20 years down the line, I wouldn't be as confident about electronics for today's DC fans still being available. So to summarize, the DC fans are a good choice too, but I wouldn't call them more reliable or serviceable than a K55XL fan.
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