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Post by Noah C on Jan 31, 2016 20:48:44 GMT -5
We are, obviously, in 2016. So, a new year = a new fail compilation. I will be bashing some of this year's new stuffs and talking about how atrocious and miserably pathetic these fans are, just for fun (or just because they're that bad LOL  ). So let's bash, shall we! |
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Post by Noah C on Jan 31, 2016 20:59:48 GMT -5
#1: Kicking things off as the first fan on this list is a fan from what has been arguably one of the most pathetic ceiling fan manufacturers for the past 4 years (and the one fan company Max seems to hate with a burning passion  no offense Max), Hunter. This fan is the 60" version of the Donegan, which has two size variants; this being the gargantuan of the series. Not only does it look like a bloody horrifying intermingling of parts, but a brief glimpse at the spec sheet tells me just how much worse it gets. The motor is only 172×20 mm (don't ya think that's a bit small for a 60" fan) and the big'ol enjambment of MDF and poor quality sheet metal only moves 6300 CFMs. So much for putting it in any space that is big enough where this thing will fit  . Oh, did I mention that the motor housing looks like an upside down bowl with a teapot lid on its underside? Attachment Deleted |
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Post by Noah C on Feb 3, 2016 1:18:56 GMT -5
#2 Minka Aire has been making some quite risqué decisions over the past year, as displayed in last year's edition of this thread, with atrocities like the shower fan, and that weird restaurant-light-with-stingrays looking thing, so stuff has not really bored well for them lately  ...And they did it again, with a contractor, the MOST BASIC FAN YOU COULD POSSIBLY IMAGINE. First off, lemme start off by saying, "What in the hell is this abomination??!!!?!". Why I say this? Because THIS IS PROBABLY THE WORST COMBINATION OF CONTEMPORARY AND BASIC I HAVE EVER SEEN! Where's the pull chains, the crescent brackets with the two lines etched into them? This thing is expensive and cheap at the same time, maybe because of the remote control it comes with. At least they got it to move some air, at around 6,000 CFMs. About as much as your American trad, Jon, and it only needed a 153×12 to do so, and not a 188×20 (no offense, Jon). So this is a contradiction within itself. Attachment Deleted |
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Post by Parkman on Feb 3, 2016 8:02:17 GMT -5
#2 Minka Aire has been making some quite risqué decisions over the past year, as displayed in last year's edition of this thread, with atrocities like the shower fan, and that weird restaurant-light-with-stingrays looking thing, so stuff has not really bored well for them lately ...And they did it again, with a contractor, the MOST BASIC FAN YOU COULD POSSIBLY IMAGINE. First off, lemme start off by saying, "What in the hell is this abomination??!!!?!". Why I say this? Because THIS IS PROBABLY THE WORST COMBINATION OF CONTEMPORARY AND BASIC I HAVE EVER SEEN! Where's the pull chains, the crescent brackets with the two lines etched into them? This thing is expensive and cheap at the same time, maybe because of the remote control it comes with. At least they got it to move some air, at around 6,000 CFMs. About as much as your American trad, Jon, and it only needed a 153×12 to do so, and not a 188×20 (no offense, Jon). So this is a contradiction within itself. That looks like a big Photoshop fail! That is quite strange... I bet Lowes will have one next and unfortunately we'll have to see them everywhere EWW! 6000 CFM and a 153 x 12 lets see how long it is till that motor burns out or has bearing noise. Jon's fan is pleasant looking. Its traditional with some quality behind it with that nice sized motor. I've only ever had one Craftmade in my life which I resold but it was a decently built fan for not being Casablanca quality in the metals. |
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Post by Noah C on Feb 3, 2016 13:59:40 GMT -5
#2 Minka Aire has been making some quite risqué decisions over the past year, as displayed in last year's edition of this thread, with atrocities like the shower fan, and that weird restaurant-light-with-stingrays looking thing, so stuff has not really bored well for them lately ...And they did it again, with a contractor, the MOST BASIC FAN YOU COULD POSSIBLY IMAGINE. First off, lemme start off by saying, "What in the hell is this abomination??!!!?!". Why I say this? Because THIS IS PROBABLY THE WORST COMBINATION OF CONTEMPORARY AND BASIC I HAVE EVER SEEN! Where's the pull chains, the crescent brackets with the two lines etched into them? This thing is expensive and cheap at the same time, maybe because of the remote control it comes with. At least they got it to move some air, at around 6,000 CFMs. About as much as your American trad, Jon, and it only needed a 153×12 to do so, and not a 188×20 (no offense, Jon). So this is a contradiction within itself. That looks like a big Photoshop fail! That is quite strange... I bet Lowes will have one next and unfortunately we'll have to see them everywhere EWW! 6000 CFM and a 153 x 12 lets see how long it is till that motor burns out or has bearing noise. Jon's fan is pleasant looking. Its traditional with some quality behind it with that nice sized motor. I've only ever had one Craftmade in my life which I resold but it was a decently built fan for not being Casablanca quality in the metals. The motor will burn out very quickly. And craftmade makes very good fans; I like the American tradition a lot, always have, always will. The metal's are good on them, but the best metals come from fanimation, Emerson, and (still) Casablanca. Minka is almost on the level of craftmade and some of their stuff looks a little better, but their fans are a little worse than craftmade. The cool thing about Minka, though, is that their headquarters is in the same town I live in haven't had the time to check them out though. Not that interested so I probably won't. |
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Post by Noah C on Feb 3, 2016 19:29:23 GMT -5
Thats pretty cool that they are right near you!!! I bought a 32" Minka Aire Supra because I needed a small fan and have been on the hunt for a Brass Minuet II for nine years but can't ever find the exact one I want. The fan is silent as can be and that thing MOVES and has plywood blades which is becoming rarer by the year it seems. I do recommend that but other than that I have no experience with Minka Aire. Their headquarters is in Corona, CA, of which the part of Corona it is in is about 5 minutes from me... No kidding. But minkas are pretty good, the fan showroom I went to had a 44" supra and an ultra max. Both of them moved some AIR. And they had a new American Trad there which of course moved a ton of air. The direction in which most of the air was flowing was the back of the store, where, of course, a stack motor Emerson was situated. After the Emerson was turned off, I turned on both new Panama's (stack and spinner), and to my surprise, the spinner moved a little more air. There was also an islander with the wingtip blades running on the right hand side, where the checkout kiosk was situated. Went about 180 on high if my memory is straight (20° blade pitch) but airflow was comparable to the American trad (maybe about 6400 CFM it put out)*estimate. The most surprising thing about the whole situation is the airflow of these new DC motors. Most of them in there moved some ballistic air. I felt almost as if I was under a miniature windstorm under those minka slipstreams and Fanimation odyns, and the like. The most recent occasion I have shown up at a fan showroom was seven months ago when I went to the lamps plus about 15 minutes away from me on the way to some of my relatives' house (and a motorcycle shop), and they still had some of those lamps plus exclusive rebadged intelitouch Casablanca hermosa's, which apparently are still being made. It moved a lot of air, but the islander had about 500 CFMs on it and the Emersons had about 1500 or so. Up front were some new hollistons with the 188mm motors, and they both moved quite a lot of air. The motor housings were much too grotesquely large for the rest of the fan, like those large montecarlos or something. They had a stealth XLP and a stealth Direct Drive, and I tested them. They moved around the same amount of air and went about the same speed. The one fan that moved a ton of air was a 54" Emerson careers grande eco, which "blew me down" (pun intended). Emerson relealased a new contemporary stack motor fan called "Southtowne" to replace the Odyssey of 10 years ago and to compete with the XLP stealth (which was in its final year of production). It moved a little less air than the stealth. And there were 2 hunters (the other showroom had none), the new sea air and some other crappy abomination. They were wobbling like J-hookers and bumming, and they only did like 130 RPMs on high. Literally. |
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Post by Jordan U on Feb 3, 2016 20:49:41 GMT -5
6000 CFM and a 153 x 12 lets see how long it is till that motor burns out or has bearing noise. |
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Post by Parkman on Feb 3, 2016 22:11:20 GMT -5
Thats pretty cool that they are right near you!!! I bought a 32" Minka Aire Supra because I needed a small fan and have been on the hunt for a Brass Minuet II for nine years but can't ever find the exact one I want. The fan is silent as can be and that thing MOVES and has plywood blades which is becoming rarer by the year it seems. I do recommend that but other than that I have no experience with Minka Aire. Their headquarters is in Corona, CA, of which the part of Corona it is in is about 5 minutes from me... No kidding. But minkas are pretty good, the fan showroom I went to had a 44" supra and an ultra max. Both of them moved some AIR. And they had a new American Trad there which of course moved a ton of air. The direction in which most of the air was flowing was the back of the store, where, of course, a stack motor Emerson was situated. After the Emerson was turned off, I turned on both new Panama's (stack and spinner), and to my surprise, the spinner moved a little more air. There was also an islander with the wingtip blades running on the right hand side, where the checkout kiosk was situated. Went about 180 on high if my memory is straight (20° blade pitch) but airflow was comparable to the American trad (maybe about 6400 CFM it put out)*estimate. The most surprising thing about the whole situation is the airflow of these new DC motors. Most of them in there moved some ballistic air. I felt almost as if I was under a miniature windstorm under those minka slipstreams and Fanimation odyns, and the like. The most recent occasion I have shown up at a fan showroom was seven months ago when I went to the lamps plus about 15 minutes away from me on the way to some of my relatives' house (and a motorcycle shop), and they still had some of those lamps plus exclusive rebadged intelitouch Casablanca hermosa's, which apparently are still being made. It moved a lot of air, but the islander had about 500 CFMs on it and the Emersons had about 1500 or so. Up front were some new hollistons with the 188mm motors, and they both moved quite a lot of air. The motor housings were much too grotesquely large for the rest of the fan, like those large montecarlos or something. They had a stealth XLP and a stealth Direct Drive, and I tested them. They moved around the same amount of air and went about the same speed. The one fan that moved a ton of air was a 54" Emerson careers grande eco, which "blew me down" (pun intended). Emerson relealased a new contemporary stack motor fan called "Southtowne" to replace the Odyssey of 10 years ago and to compete with the XLP stealth (which was in its final year of production). It moved a little less air than the stealth. And there were 2 hunters (the other showroom had none), the new sea air and some other crappy abomination. They were wobbling like J-hookers and bumming, and they only did like 130 RPMs on high. Literally. You have to get some pictures of these showrooms next time!!  I would like to get a 44" Supra for myself one of these days cause I was so happy with my little one. The 44" ones have a 188x20 motor in them which is pretty darn big for an under 52" fan in todays standards. |
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Post by Noah C on Feb 3, 2016 23:15:14 GMT -5
Their headquarters is in Corona, CA, of which the part of Corona it is in is about 5 minutes from me... No kidding. But minkas are pretty good, the fan showroom I went to had a 44" supra and an ultra max. Both of them moved some AIR. And they had a new American Trad there which of course moved a ton of air. The direction in which most of the air was flowing was the back of the store, where, of course, a stack motor Emerson was situated. After the Emerson was turned off, I turned on both new Panama's (stack and spinner), and to my surprise, the spinner moved a little more air. There was also an islander with the wingtip blades running on the right hand side, where the checkout kiosk was situated. Went about 180 on high if my memory is straight (20° blade pitch) but airflow was comparable to the American trad (maybe about 6400 CFM it put out)*estimate. The most surprising thing about the whole situation is the airflow of these new DC motors. Most of them in there moved some ballistic air. I felt almost as if I was under a miniature windstorm under those minka slipstreams and Fanimation odyns, and the like. The most recent occasion I have shown up at a fan showroom was seven months ago when I went to the lamps plus about 15 minutes away from me on the way to some of my relatives' house (and a motorcycle shop), and they still had some of those lamps plus exclusive rebadged intelitouch Casablanca hermosa's, which apparently are still being made. It moved a lot of air, but the islander had about 500 CFMs on it and the Emersons had about 1500 or so. Up front were some new hollistons with the 188mm motors, and they both moved quite a lot of air. The motor housings were much too grotesquely large for the rest of the fan, like those large montecarlos or something. They had a stealth XLP and a stealth Direct Drive, and I tested them. They moved around the same amount of air and went about the same speed. The one fan that moved a ton of air was a 54" Emerson careers grande eco, which "blew me down" (pun intended). Emerson relealased a new contemporary stack motor fan called "Southtowne" to replace the Odyssey of 10 years ago and to compete with the XLP stealth (which was in its final year of production). It moved a little less air than the stealth. And there were 2 hunters (the other showroom had none), the new sea air and some other crappy abomination. They were wobbling like J-hookers and bumming, and they only did like 130 RPMs on high. Literally. You have to get some pictures of these showrooms next time!! I would like to get a 44" Supra for myself one of these days cause I was so happy with my little one. The 44" ones have a 188x20 motor in them which is pretty darn big for an under 52" fan in todays standards. I forgot to take pictures; forgot my phone :/. The 44" and 52" supras have 188×15 motors. The little fan with the biggest motor is actually the Kichler Canfield with a 172×20 instead of a 188×15. Here's why: A 172×20 motor is 3,440 square mm. A 188×15 motor is 2820 square mm. Overall, stack height of the motor more effectively changes the size of the motor than width. I would rather have a 153×20 than a 172×16. So, the 44" supra has a 188×15 (pretty large for its size) along with the 52", but the 44" Kichler canfield has a 172×20 (huge for its size), along with the 52". And in the 52" versions of each fan, the Kichler edges the 52" supra out: 6151 CFM versus 5995. That is why, for example, a new Casablanca Capistrano (172×20 motor; about 6800 CFM on high) performs better than something like an Emerson designer for example (188×15 motor; about 5800 CFM on high). On the topic of casas, I forgot to mention the new Capistrano that I saw at the fandiego showroom (the first one I talked about a little earlier in this thread). It felt like it moved a ton of air; actually more than the American tradition. Casablanca spec sheets say the fans move a ton of air but go very slow; it is quite the opposite. New casas go freakin' FAST. All of the 54" and under casas I saw (stealth aside) easily hit 200 RPM on high. For those who are concerned about the downsizing of the stack and 188×20 fans, 172×20 motors are still very big; about the same size as an XLP. The 188×20 compared to the 172×20 is less than the difference between the 172×20 and the 188×15. Also, the reason why fans can perform very poorly with large motors could be the blades, the capacitor ampage; other factors. An example of this would be the islander, which only moves 4,800 CFM. But this is with those ridiculously big ass tropical blades. With narrower decorative blades, you'll get more like 5500-5700 CFM, and once you switch to normal composite/plywood blades they have for this fan, you'll probably get about 6400-6600 CFM out of it. That's what the showroom floor model felt like it put out. But it wouldn't be as find or dandy if the motor was undersized to take on such a duty (with a 20° blade pitch), and they most likely put a decent sized capacitor in there. That is why all of Fanimation's spinner motor tropical fans have 188×25s. I have yet to see how that performs with normal blades.
Unfortunately, Kichler put a low ampage capacitor inside of the 44" canfield, which is why it only moves 4100 CFM, pitiful when compared to the supra's 5300. What is very powerful, though, is the Gulf Coast Riviera II with 44" blades. That has a 188×20, and moves just as much as a new original (7600 CFM) with 52" blades; that thing would FLY with 44" blades. |
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Post by Noah C on Feb 3, 2016 23:16:01 GMT -5
6000 CFM and a 153 x 12 lets see how long it is till that motor burns out or has bearing noise. That's what I'm guessing  |
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Post by Noah C on Feb 3, 2016 23:32:52 GMT -5
Won't be long.. And I'm sure it has a thermal fuse, so once it goes, its gone.. That's what I'm guessing . Another example (like we need one ) of the stack height vs width is stack motors. Most stack motors are usually 25mm in stack height at the least; the most I've seen is 40. But they are very narrow. XLPs are 125×28mm. K55s are 140×25mm (ironically, the K55 and XLP are both 3,500 mm squared). FDK2100s are, I want to say, 140×28mm, which would explain their strength of pulling those heavy decorative blades they put on those things; makes for a 3,920mm squared size. I know that K55XLs have a 140mm width, but I don't know whether their stack heights are 28mm or 33mm. Yet these are bigger (and for the most part more powerful) than any fan motor in the book other than anything 188×22 or larger. Also, the "GE" stack motor modern fan/period arts uses for the industry and the cirrus fans are 125×28mm, the same size as an XLP. |
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Post by Noah C on Feb 6, 2016 23:05:47 GMT -5
#3:
Surprise, surprise, its another minka, called the raptor. This time it isn't only an epic fail, but its a stealth copy too. Sure, its 6" larger (60"), but it has the same style blades, motor housing, everything. It has the same tiny DC that the rest of the larger DC motor fans in the lineup have. Similarly, it only moves 6,000 CFM. Even the hunter beats it out!!!!! Wow, what a terrible stealth copy (and terrible looking, too, in comparison to the stealth). Here it is:
The Casablanca DC motor stealth, just for comparison purposes:
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Post by fan1968 on Feb 7, 2016 21:06:02 GMT -5
#3:
Surprise, surprise, its another minka, called the raptor. This time it isn't only an epic fail, but its a stealth copy too. Sure, its 6" larger (60"), but it has the same style blades, motor housing, everything. It has the same tiny DC that the rest of the larger DC motor fans in the lineup have. Similarly, it only moves 6,000 CFM. Even the hunter beats it out!!!!! Wow, what a terrible stealth copy (and terrible looking, too, in comparison to the stealth). Here it is:
The Casablanca DC motor stealth, just for comparison purposes:
I wouldn't be surprised if I saw this in some sort of movie in the background. Looks like that sort of fan. |
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Post by Noah C on Feb 8, 2016 19:19:12 GMT -5
#3:
Surprise, surprise, its another minka, called the raptor. This time it isn't only an epic fail, but its a stealth copy too. Sure, its 6" larger (60"), but it has the same style blades, motor housing, everything. It has the same tiny DC that the rest of the larger DC motor fans in the lineup have. Similarly, it only moves 6,000 CFM. Even the hunter beats it out!!!!! Wow, what a terrible stealth copy (and terrible looking, too, in comparison to the stealth). Here it is:
The Casablanca DC motor stealth, just for comparison purposes:
I wouldn't be surprised if I saw this in some sort of movie in the background. Looks like that sort of fan. Good point. But the stealth undoubtedly looks better |
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Post by fan1968 on Feb 8, 2016 20:38:00 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if I saw this in some sort of movie in the background. Looks like that sort of fan. Good point. But the stealth undoubtedly looks better True. I'm glad HunterBlanca didn't ruin the Stealth. |
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). So let's bash, shall we!
no offense Max), Hunter. This fan is the 60" version of the Donegan, which has two size variants; this being the gargantuan of the series. Not only does it look like a bloody horrifying intermingling of parts, but a brief glimpse at the spec sheet tells me just how much worse it gets. The motor is only 172×20 mm (don't ya think that's a bit small for a 60" fan) and the big'ol enjambment of MDF and poor quality sheet metal only moves 6300 CFMs. So much for putting it in any space that is big enough where this thing will fit 
. Oh, did I mention that the motor housing looks like an upside down bowl with a teapot lid on its underside?
...And they did it again, with a contractor, the MOST BASIC FAN YOU COULD POSSIBLY IMAGINE. 
